Brown, Harrison, Steroids - Bottom of Bird Cage 6/3

Day No. 154 of the year.

On June 3, 1539 DeSoto claimed Florida for Spain. Almost immediately a deli opened on Miami Beach and DeSoto’s soldiers were seen walking around wearing white shoes.

It was on this day in 1937 that the Duke of Windsor married Wallis Simpson in one of those historical romances that reads like fiction. He was the King of England and he fell in love with a married American. Eventually, he abdicated his throne for his love, thus making it nearly impossible for any man afterwards to do anything to really impress their woman.

And it was on June 3, 1888 in the San Francisco Examiner newspaper when Ernest Lawrence Thayer’s iconic poem Casey At The Bat first appeared in print. It closes with the classic:

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;

The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,

And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;

But there is no joy in Mudville— mighty Casey has struck out.

 

There are safeties in the NFL news today, plus a look at steroids and the NFL. Enjoy.

From the Chicago Sun-Times:
Ex-Bear Mike Brown will make a free agent visit to the Kansas City Chiefs today (Wednesday) … One of the most popular players in post-Super Bowl XX franchise history, the Bears bid goodbye to Mike Brown after this past season when his contract expired. Five years younger than Harrison at 31, Brown is looking to catch on with the Chiefs, who have been re-tooling their defense but lack depth in the secondary. A contract offer is possible and the timing would be ideal as Kansas City’s mandatory minicamp is this weekend. Jarrad Page and Bernard Pollard are the projected starters but Brown could push them for a job immediately.


Whether he was in San Diego or New England, Harrison was considered a leader, and no one questioned Brown’s unquestioned status as the leader and pulse of the Bears’ defense for most of the past decade. The only time Brown didn’t lead was when he was sidelined by injury, something that happened more than anyone cared for over the last five seasons. Brown missed 44 regular-season games from 2004 to 2008, but was so indispensible when he was on the field that the Bears kept going back to him. A calf muscle injury cut last season short for him by one game.

Brown was one of those rare players that commanded the respect of everyone. Others still rave about him long after they have moved on. With his future uncertain, this last season was trying for him. Brown rebuffed multiple interview requests over the final months as he knew where the questions would lead.

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How does Brown fit in the Chiefs picture? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t; coming to Kansas City for a visit does not mean he’s going to be wearing a uniform. His signing would increase the level of competition at the position, which is something that Pioli/Haley are trying to do. It may also signal concerns on the part of the defensive staff on the safeties on hand at this time. Stay tuned.

From the Boston Herald:
Rodney Harrison walked away from the game he loved this morning with no regrets and one giant sense of relief. One of the all-time greats in Patriots history, Harrison told reporters on a conference call that he wanted to leave on his terms with his health intact.

“I had the opportunity and the privilege to play a long time, but today I am very proud and very excited to announce my retirement from the NFL,” he said. “It’s been a long time. I had to contemplate a lot of different emotions. All in all, I’ve done everything I possibly could on the field. I have nothing else to prove.

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Is Rodney Harrison a Hall of Famer? Not on this ballot. He was a good player, sometimes a very good player, but I don’t believe he ever rose to the level of great player.

From the Philadelphia Daily News:
When Brian Baldinger broke into the NFL in 1982 as an undrafted offensive lineman with the Dallas Cowboys, steroids were as prevalent in the league as six-shooters in the Wild West. They weren’t a dirty little secret back then. They were a tool of the trade. A significant percentage of the league’s offensive and defensive linemen used them.

“I remember the first day of training camp, going into Player X’s dorm room when the vets showed up,” says Baldinger, who played 11 NFL seasons for the Cowboys, Eagles and Indianapolis Colts. “A brown bag was dumped out on the bed full of syringes and you name it. And you just kind of grabbed what you needed.

“It wasn’t like it is now, with baseball players saying, ‘Let’s get the playing field even.’ Back then, it was understood that X-amount of players, mostly linemen, that’s what they did [use steroids]. It wasn’t looked at as a competitive advantage.”

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Football has worked on eliminating steroids from the NFL for over 15 years now. They don’t catch everyone and it would be folly to think they do. Players are always going to use whatever is available to improve their chances of production. And, they will do whatever is necessary to hide that fact. But pro football’s problems in the last decade pale in comparison with what’s happened in baseball.


80 Responses to “Brown, Harrison, Steroids - Bottom of Bird Cage 6/3”

  • June 3, 2009  - JAY says:

    EH


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    “On June 3, 1539 DeSoto claimed Florida for Spain”

    - that guy really got around - he also made a great automobile back in the day…


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    I like the idea of signing Brown and Ellis. What is there to loose? If they can’t start or add depth, release them.


  • June 3, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    As noted, Mike Brown has been an exceptional player when healthy. The Chiefs certainly have enough questions at safety to merit a kick of the tires:
    McGraw - seems destined to be a special-teamer
    Morgan - promising but basically an unknown quantity
    Page - the one Chiefs safety who could be a starter on most NFL teams
    Pollard - seems talented but mistake-prone; needs to prove himself this season
    Price - huh?


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    anonymous says:
    “I like the idea of signing Brown and Ellis. What is there to loose? If they can’t start or add depth, release them.”

    I tend to agree. Bring ‘em on.


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Rodney Harrison…Jack Tatum…George Atkinson… Fred ‘The Hammer’ Williamson…Dick ‘Night Train’ Lane…Johnny ‘Confessions of a Dirty Ballplayer’ Sample… had Rin enough internet paper… cheap shots - all - my opine.

    The world of ‘DBs’ is not alone populated by just hard hitters, but rather the criminal element too - and I’m not referencing DB Cooper of hijack ‘71 fame.

    Chuck Noll was whiney? Lynn Swann was light in the cleats?

    Dick Butkus was misunderstood when he said “the QBs should wear dresses.” That’s because it was not Dick that said it, rather, Steelers LB Jack Lambert - a latter day Ray Nitschke - gap-tooth or three at best fury x2.

    What Dick actually said was “I wouldn’t ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless you know, it was important like a league game or something.”

    Chuck Bednarik leveling Frank Gifford and putting him in nolo contendre land for an entire year? It is as it was a part of the game.

    Bernard Pollard vs Tom Brady’s knee, 2008?

    The first mentioned this blog mine Rodney Harrison vs Trent Green’s knee, 1999?

    Robert Geathers vs Trent Green’s head, 2006?

    Hard hitters or cheap shots? Sometimes tragedy.

    On the other, Stone Johnson, Darryl Stingley and Chuck Hughes died on the field or off thereaft… directly or indirectly legal football mayhem.

    Anyone remember former Chief among others Benny Thompson? Doug Atkins of the 1950s Chicago Bears was also considered a dirty player, but at 6′8 - 6′9 265-285 lbs., the only ones that said it had high-pitched voices that went unheard.

    Worse was his Chicago teammate DE Ed “The Claw” Sprinkle…after he hit you across the neck you had trouble going tinkle.

    Willie Lanier hit hard - ‘Contact.’ Bobby Bell was the best open field tackler in the pro game, Larry Wilson a kamikaze…there were many more.

    Football is at minimum a game of touch… when it becomes a game of attrition as it has always been but circa 2009 bumps up gainst lo$t revenue, well …as such this i$$ue isn’t new but more relevant than ever.

    The day is nigh on whence the players will be as transformers and remote controlled… that is the day football will not only die as to relevancy as it has been gradually over these last 35 years in relation to the game it was (variously), but also the day it becomes irrelevant to any but a fandom raised on video games and TruTVdom - make believe they mistake for actuality…not reality.

    Yesterday, all my heroes seem so far away…how I miss those other vintage days - oh, I believe in yesterday…


  • June 3, 2009  - Blake says:

    Did Mike Brown play FS or SS? I hope they sign him, he would give us a probowler in the secondary. He just needs to stay healthy, I hope they also sign Ellis, and maybe in the future Levi Jones to battle for the RT spot, we need a lot more competition at many spots.


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    anonymous says:

    “What is there to loose?”

    - ‘whom’… Derrick Johnson perhaps, for to loose him is to unbridle…too loose be the immigration policies the United States…the ‘what.’


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    Blake,
    Brown played FS.


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    Oops!


  • June 3, 2009  - Rip 'em a new one says:

    Call them ‘Bridge’ players. The Vrabels, and others who seal the cracks in the walls and keep it together until younger guys put down a firmer foundation.

    How many ‘Bridge’ players should a roster have? THAT, to me, is the larger question when it comes to adding to the total already in place. NE is a good litmus test of this principle as they always seems to find the right balance between the long of tooth vets, guys under 29, and the rooks.

    I don’t want to bore myself or anyone else by looking up the stats (which are almost always boring), but my sense is that adding a couple of additional bridgers wouldn’t upset the chemistry or plans for these 2009 Chiefs.


  • June 3, 2009  - Johnfromfairfax says:

    I heard earlier we were also considering LeCharles Bentley. No youngsters here but all good players if they pan out. They need to be signed to low risk team friendly contracts and if they work out they definitely upgrade what we have. If not, back to the drawing board.


  • June 3, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    I think Bentley is pie in the sky. If he was able to play somebody would have signed him by now.


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Johnfromfairfax says:

    “They need to be signed to low risk team friendly contracts.”

    - au contraire; they need to be big $ pacts that help the Chiefs eat into that $urplus that they are currently sitting on … any 22 will do said ‘check’ - he doesn’t care, so neither does Rin.

    ‘check’ is my new hero… (not really.)


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    Rip ‘em a new one says:
    “NE is a good litmus test of this principle as they always seems to find the right balance between the long of tooth vets, guys under 29, and the rooks.”

    Exactly. And where was Pioli before he came to the Chiefs?

    So, I trust that he knows what he’s doing…and screw the naysayers. We’ll see.


  • June 3, 2009  - ED says:

    The more good players we can add on defense the better. Our defense hasn’t been good since the late 90s so i’m all for adding more talent on that side of the ball.


  • June 3, 2009  - Blake says:

    I just want a good team that is competing in the division and has a chance at the playoffs and is fun to watch, no matter how old the players are or how young the players are.

    I just want to see a good football team, competing.


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Really you think that a washed up old safety who has lost a step will play better then the two starting safeties we have now? I think you let them play again together this year and most likely the chiefs will have a couple probowlers in the secondary. Since when did Dick Vermiel come back to the Chiefs, lets make this one of the oldest teams in the NFL for the next, say 5 years…


  • June 3, 2009  - tm1946 says:

    I know we are watching closely the defense and “dreaming” of what is possible. But guys, we (and the Chiefs) seem to be ignoring the offensive side and a kick returner. The Chiefs have a fortune they need to spend and there is not much out there. 09 could easily become like a one-armed man in a bar fight with only a half team to put on the field.


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Scott said:

    “And where was Pioli before he came to the Chiefs?”

    - following Bill Belichick around & waiting for occasional ‘pats’ on the head…


  • June 3, 2009  - Jorge says:

    That’s a lot better than what you were doing RinTard…on your knees with your mouth open waiting for Herm to show you some love.

    All you got to show for it is dry mouth.

    OOOPS! HEH HEH DUH DUH!


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    (Cue Elton John paraphrase) “Green eyes, Jorge has such - LARGE - green eyes…

    heh heh heh


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    arrowhead1978 says:

    “Really you think that a washed up old safety who has lost a step will play better then the two starting safeties we have now? I think you let them play again together this year and most likely the chiefs will have a couple probowlers in the secondary.”

    And what are you going to do if one of them gets hurt?

    Depth. All the really good teams have it.

    Besides…competition is a good thing. Who’s going to work harder - a guy who has his job locked up…or a guy who feels the heat from the player behind him?


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    Rin Tin Tin says:

    “- following Bill Belichick around & waiting for occasional ‘pats’ on the head…”

    Really? I seem to recall that Belichick had nothing but great things to say about Pioli.

    You’re probably right, though. Pioli is an idiot. A bum. He did nothing at his former job. They just paid him to hang around as Belichick’s flunky, and fetch his coffee. And all that respect Pioli gets from pretty much everyone in the league? Undeserved. Every bit of it. The guy should just quit right now, really. He’s obviously screwed things up already. Geez…he hasn’t even won one game yet. What a loser.


  • June 3, 2009  - Johnfromfairfax says:

    The other thing to remember is the change in philosophy. We are looking for guys with a pedigree of commitment and attitude to serve as role players. All these guys fit that . New England has been one of the best teams in recent years to shape a team this way. I agree with Scott. Competition spurs improvement. Bring it on.


  • June 3, 2009  - Johnfromfairfax says:

    Scott’s right again. The description of Pioli’s role as a sycophant of Belichick fetching his coffee and carrying hod for him sounds familiar… No wait, that’s Rin’s man crush and Herm worship we’re all subjected to daily.


  • June 3, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    George Bernard Shaw once said:

    “Some men see things the way they are - I hate those guys! I dream of things that never were and say “That’s the way things are!”"

    I may not have that quote exactly right.


  • June 3, 2009  - alex k says:

    Bentley rumor started by bill williamson who has listed maybe 10 players the same way as guys kc should or will go after, hes missed on all of them.

    As for Brown, I like competition but where does this leave morgan or mcgraw.


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Scott… scott… scot

    You promised yesterday another blog that you were not going to respond to Rin any longer… did you forget?

    If you can’t be trusted to even keep your word/be a man about it why would anyone consider what you have to say as valid?

    Like the hotel desk clerk in “Planes, Trains & Automobiles” said to John Candy aft the latter tried to exchange his Casio watch for a room -

    “I’m gonna have to say goodnight now - no sale.”


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    “That’s the way things [ought] to be”.

    Kennedy s, greatest quote.

    And with Haley/Pioli as leaders, it would read: “That’s the way it’s gonna be”


  • June 3, 2009  - Blake says:

    arrowhead1978 says:

    Really you think that a washed up old safety who has lost a step will play better then the two starting safeties we have now? I think you let them play again together this year and most likely the chiefs will have a couple probowlers in the secondary. Since when did Dick Vermiel come back to the Chiefs, lets make this one of the oldest teams in the NFL for the next, say 5 years…

    You dont know that he is washed up, besides he could give us depth, and he is supposedly a leader, someone that we need. I would rather have a old team that is good and is in the playoffs every year, rather than a young crappy team that is in the top 5 drafting every year.

    It doesnt matter if they are young or old, I just want a Good football team. Period


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Dajuan Morgan is a decent backup, if one of them get hurts he could come in. Brown reminds me of Dawkins going to Denver, lost a step can’t cover anyone, but hey we should bring him in.

    Rin I agree, Pioli wasn’t doing much in NE, the pats wouldn’t let the main guy leave without trying to give him a reason to stay. By the way Belichick isn’t going to down Pioli because he has a relationship with him, he pretty much gave him well wishes and sent him on his way, just as the rest of the NE staff did.


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    Rin Tin Tin says:

    “Scott… scott… scot

    You promised yesterday another blog that you were not going to respond to Rin any longer… did you forget?

    If you can’t be trusted to even keep your word/be a man about it why would anyone consider what you have to say as valid?”

    Dude…that is absolutely the best point you’ve EVER made. Thank you.

    Consider it done.


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    alex k,
    “As for Brown, I like competition but where does this leave morgan or mcgraw.”

    It leaves them looking for work if they don’t beat him out!

    But I don’t think you have to worry about McGraw, he will make the team on ST.


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Blake you know the saying ” Too many chiefs and not enough indians”? It looks like every player that is out there and aging is now a guy who will bring leadership to the team, who’s going to lead who? THat’s what Vrabel was brought in for and Thomas and Engram, hmm… who else are we going to bring in that can lead them??


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Johnfromfairfax says:

    “The description of Pioli’s role as a sycophant of Belichick fetching his coffee and carrying hod for him sounds familiar.”

    - how long have you been in the hospitality business in Fairfax, John?

    “No wait”

    - sorry, too late: Rin 1, Johnfromfairfax 0

    “that’s”

    - how you play the game John, yes…you have to think fast, practice fast and play fast… even ‘check’ knows that (and wasn’t he in that movie with Alicia Silverstone?)

    “Rin’s man”

    - Her-man!

    “crush”

    - yes slow to comprend John, that was the name of the movie with Alicia.

    “and Herm”

    - no, he was overqualified for the part…

    “worship”

    - if Herm has that effect on you then by all means do so…to each their own.

    “we’re all subjected to daily.”

    - ESPN - the worldwide leader in sports - and now fortified with essential Hermanents & vitaHerms…


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    arrowhead,
    How the hell do you know what Pioli did in NE?!

    Pull your skirt down, your stupidity is showing again!


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Scott…scott..scot said:

    “Dude”

    - ‘Rin’…Rin Tin Tin.

    “that is absolutely the best point you’ve EVER made.”

    - and my suggestion to the stylist - “Mr. Todd of Pioli’s” - only required a slight comb-over so as to make it look natural on you…

    “Thank you.”

    - don’t mention it… really, don’t - do you promise this time?

    “Consider it done.”

    - you know you can’t be trusted Scott… scott… scot - you said the same thing before…


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    ILChiefsFan says:

    “George Bernard Shaw once said . . .”

    - Richard Pryor & Gene Wilder in “See No Evil, Hear No Evil” once said:

    Wilder: “I can’t see! I can’t see!”

    Pryor: “I can’t see either!!”

    neither either can ’search’ & ‘check’…

    “I may not have that quote exactly right.”

    - like I said…


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    arrowhead1978 says:

    “Rin I agree, Pioli wasn’t doing much in NE, the pats wouldn’t let the main guy leave without trying to give him a reason to stay. By the way Belichick isn’t going to down Pioli because he has a relationship with him, he pretty much gave him well wishes and sent him on his way, just as the rest of the NE staff did.”

    You must be thinking of another Belichick…right? It’s BILL Bilichick that’s the coach of the Patriots. And I don’t recall him EVER not being blunt in telling it how he sees it. To the point of being an assh*le. The things he said about Pioli were the way he saw it. Period. He isn’t going to “make nice”…especially for a guy on his way out the door.


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Anonymous, he wasn’t a GM and I never read anything that stated he had final say on who got drafted or who got traded. Now I have read that Belichick had that sole power…


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    the following is from wikipedia:

    William Stephen Belichick (born April 16, 1952 in Nashville, Tennessee) is the American football head coach for the New England Patriots of the National Football League. After spending his first 15 seasons in the league as an assistant coach, Belichick got his first head coaching job with the Cleveland Browns in 1991. Of his five seasons coaching Cleveland, only one featured a winning record, and Belichick did not serve as head coach again until 2000 with the Patriots. Since then, Belichick has coached the Patriots to four Super Bowls; three victories in Super Bowls XXXVI, XXXVIII, and XXXIX and a loss in Super Bowl XLII. He was named the AP NFL Coach of the Year twice, for the 2003 and 2007 seasons. During the 2007 season, the Patriots became the first team to ever finish the regular season with a 16–0 record.


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    arrowhead1978 says:

    “Rin I agree”

    - you’re the second smartest man on this blog… ahem.

    “Pioli wasn’t doing much in NE, the pats wouldn’t let the main guy leave without trying to give him a reason to stay.”

    - shhh! You know that to say that is sacrilege… it’s much better to just say “we stole him!” from the Patriots (actually, Kraft was just trying to make up a bit for that blundered 1972 Mo Moorman fiasco… alas, Kaycee got taken again in 2009.)

    “By the way Belichick isn’t going to down Pioli because he has a relationship with him, he pretty much gave him well wishes and sent him on his way, just as the rest of the NE staff did.”

    - Weiss… Crennell… Mangini… McDaniels… Pioli… part of the veritable cast of thousands, et al, ad nauseam, ad infinitum.


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Scott, You should search your arguments before you make one…


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    arrowhead,
    Your just a SUCK up, a clinger on latcher to the hind teat as it were, ankle bitter, not to be confused with a Soccop


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    anonymous your a retard!!! Learn how to spell, I swear your name should be corky… ankle “biter”


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    I believe its succop also


  • June 3, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Johnfromfairfax

    ‘check’ was also in another movie with Alicia… like his nick and as the “crush”, the other flic too starts with letter “C” - capital no ‘less’ (wink wink)


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    My moneys on your “bitter” too. Cuz they fired your daddy.


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    I anonyKing, dub the conehead, for ever and ever. Amen.
    So it was written, so it shall be done.


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    arrowhead1978 says:

    “Scott, You should search your arguments before you make one…”

    Really?

    Sounds like to me, from what you posted yourself…that Belichick didn’t have success until he got to New England, and joined forces with Pioli.

    Oh…I guess he just needed someone to fetch his coffee for him. Right?


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    LOL.. Now that’s original, I personally dont care who the coach is, but I will love this season when the 22 off the street comment bites Haley in the ass… as for anonymous you should start logging in as corky…


  • June 3, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    actually Pioli was there for all but one year of the losing seasons for cleveland also:

    In 1992, Pioli was hired as a pro personnel assistant by Bill Belichick, then the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. In Cleveland, Pioli was responsible for the evaluation of both college prospects and veteran free agents, as well as negotiating various player contracts.[1] After Belichick was fired by the Browns, who were to be relocated and renamed the Baltimore Ravens, Pioli was promoted to Director of Pro Personnel and stayed with the team for the 1996 season.[1]


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    conehead,
    I ain’t corking nothing on you, good buddy! Nair one orifice, ever.


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    Whatever you say, man.

    But…the argument that Pioli did nothing in New England? That he had nothing to do with their success? I don’t believe that for one second. No matter what anyone says.

    Hey…here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait until after the season is over to declare that Pioli and Haley are clueless? Let them put a team on the field before we pass judgement. Damn, you guys have put a tombstone on the Chiefs season already…and it’s barely summer. I guess I’m just not that kind of a Chief’s fan.


  • June 3, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    Scott said:
    “Hey…here’s an idea. Why don’t we wait until after the season is over to declare that Pioli and Haley are clueless?”

    Because that would require rational thought?


  • June 3, 2009  - anonymous says:

    Another star for the man from IL.


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    ILChiefsFan,

    Ha! That was a good one. Thanks for the laugh.

    Hey, you know…if I can’t BELIEVE that our team is going to be a winner


  • June 3, 2009  - Scott says:

    Ooops…

    ILChiefsFan,

    Ha! That was a good one. Thanks for the laugh.

    Hey, you know…if I can’t BELIEVE that our team is going to be a winner, then what’s the point of being a fan? But, that’s just me. I will FOREVER have faith that we will get there someday. And like it or not…someday I will be right.


  • June 3, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    “…someday I will be right.”

    Soon, I hope!


  • June 3, 2009  - Johnfromfairfax says:

    The love of Chiefs Nation is in the air tonight. I’m happy to report to all Chief fans happy or bitter, optimistic or pessimistic that we have finally cleared up one puzzle tonight. We have determined the identity of one of our own. Rin is none other than Jumping Joe Pisarcik, the maker of legends. That explains a lot Joe, nee Cary Elwes. P.S. The hospitality business isn’t doing too well these days and do you still have that autographed game ball? he, he, wink, wink!


  • June 3, 2009  - Mark says:

    If Brown is going to replace the bum McGraw, fine. But if he’s going to take a roster spot from a younger player, just say no.
    There comes a point when signing too many older players to “lead” becomes couterproductive, and we’re right at that point, that Carl, DV, and Herm, yes Herm, in his 1st 2 years here, before he suddenly believed in a “youth movement” to try and prolong his job, always crossed over and left us with an old, tired team. Williamson is a waste. He sees any old “name”, and says the Chiefs are interested. Sadly, too many Chief fans who were burned so often by that philosophy, want to go back to it. I prefer the Steelers, Eagles, model that lets older players go when they’ve lost a step, and replenish with younger players, along with the vets that they think can still play.


  • June 4, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Johnfromfairfax said:

    “Rin”

    - yes, what is it now?

    “is none other than”

    - no; nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nothin’ - and two heads too are not better than none, even one balding & the other of a face unshaven; 2 zero’s.

    “Jumping Joe Pisarcik”

    - I call your bluff & raise you one Leapin’ Lenny Lyles… Lenny’s one pro bowl one more than Joe’s none.

    “the maker of legends.”

    - the William Morris Agency!

    “That explains a lot Joe, nee Cary Elwes.”

    - well, if you’re not certain ‘which’ nee be…

    “P.S.”

    - yes, Goran Bregovic’s 1996 studio release… brilliant! (if you’re into that sort of thing - appears you are.)

    “The hospitality business isn’t doing too well these days”

    - no; even ’search’ had to move a more depressed part of the country to keep a job - Kansas City. A weekend in New England “coffee & hod carrying” begat an indeterminate engagement purgatory…

    “and do you still have that”

    - no, only ‘the little people’ have purgatory - real power brokers as Leona Helmsley ‘were’ the hospitality industry…she never carried hod or coffee - only Rin’s demeanor.

    “autographed game ball?”

    - no, Leona played the game of ‘Life’…autograph hers for posterity.

    “he, he”

    - almost John; ‘Herm’…Herm Edwards.

    “wink, wink!”

    - stop it, you’ll make Jorge even more jealous…


  • June 4, 2009  - SG says:

    “…you guys have put a tombstone on the Chiefs season already…and it’s barely summer.”

    I think most of us here would like KC to go 12-4, win the division, and win a playoff game - preferably shredding the Chargers in a Wild Card game. Realistically, we don’t expect that to happen…a likely expectation is 5-6 wins - roughly the same number of wins as the previous two seasons combined. Not sure it’s a tombstone - I’d see that as a sign of hope for 2010.


  • June 4, 2009  - Scott says:

    I’m not going to go through my game by game analysis again, but…

    We will win 10 games this year.

    COUNT ON IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • June 4, 2009  - SG says:

    I like your attitude Scott - keep it up man.


  • June 4, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    I’m Rin Tin Tin.

    I’m a sociopath.

    =)


  • June 4, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    (Cue ‘nother Elton John paraphrase)
    “Green eyes….fake Rin’s got, green eyes…”


  • June 4, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    Boy…I feel the love in here let me tell ya. You see? This is what happens when you acknowledge that Rin exists. Pretend he does not exist….or any of his alternate egos and all will be fine. Don’t be fooled by those that praise him because I really believe those people ARE him. Who else would praise Rin except Rin? So hence forth….let us all ceases to acknowledge that Rin exists….except to offer a gentle reminder to those that do so (not everyone will read this so far down on a page) and the Chiefs Kingdom will be better for it….and our blog reading will be better for it too.


  • June 4, 2009  - SG says:

    “Who else would praise Rin except Rin? ”

    I would - if/when Rin has something good to say. Everyone seems to have plenty of bologna-byproducts to distribute at times - so I acknowledge that as well. Some people don’t have enough inner strength to handle being jabbed on screen - those people should avoid reading posts from certain bloggers here.

    “Ex-Bear Mike Brown will make a free agent visit to the Kansas City Chiefs today (Wednesday)…”

    One issue this defense has suffered appears to be a lack of leadership. Look at the guys who Rin refers to as “Search” and “Check” and it seems obvious that this has been a problem. CP and Herm (should we refer to them as “Tweedle-Dee and his faithful sidekick”?) hoped Ty Law and Pat Surtain would do that - and apparently the dollar cost versus the leadership production - was not sufficient to keep them around.


  • June 4, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    I avoid reading posts from a certain poster here but not because of jabbing….but because of unreadability about 99% of the time. So if a certain poster ever does have something good to say….well….I’m too busy skipping his posts to see it.

    I hope they get Brown in here….a little competition can’t hurt.


  • June 4, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    True, but how many Chiefs do we need?? Compared to the amount of Indians on the team? Every old man that is let go by another team is somehow a leader that the chiefs should sign… I dont understand it personally.


  • June 4, 2009  - Mark says:

    June 4, 2009 - arrowhead1978 says:
    True, but how many Chiefs do we need?? Compared to the amount of Indians on the team? Every old man that is let go by another team is somehow a leader that the chiefs should sign… I dont understand it personally.

    ————————————————————————————————–I totally agree with this. It’s the Carl/DV/Herm philosophy, which has proven it’s a failure time and time again. Why do we want to go through that again?


  • June 4, 2009  - Scott says:

    I don’t think the “philosophy” of adding veterans to a roster is a Carl Peterson, Dick Vermeil, Herm Edwards exculsive.

    And how many of these “old men” have we signed exactly? Three? Four?

    Oh…and Brown is what, 31? I hardly think that qualifies as “old man”…even in football terms.


  • June 4, 2009  - SG says:

    “True, but how many Chiefs do we need?”

    At least one in the front seven and one in the secondary. If Pollard and Page aren’t demonstrating that leadership, and Brown has the speed and skills after his numerous injuries, let’s put him in there.


  • June 4, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Harold C. says:

    “Boy”

    - Zen Master Rin…

    “I feel the love in here let me tell ya.”

    - that be your throat constricting; a walk around the blog & a scratch aft an opulence thine ears?

    “You see?”

    - everything…perhaps a larger cap or a smaller sense of self righteousness wouldst conceal the évident votre garndeur…

    “This is what happens when you acknowledge that Rin exists.”

    - Cioran: “Criticism is a misconception: we must read not to understand others, but to understand ourselves.”

    “Pretend he does not exist”

    - “It is living and ceasing to live that are imaginary soldiers; existence is everywhere.” - Andre Breton

    “or any of his alternate egos and all will be fine.”

    - about this self-appointed posse theirs, hangers on mine unable to read without comment, or ignore altogether, or accept that beyond their capacity- to invoke as self rule the Disederata.

    “Don’t be fooled by those that praise him because I really believe those people ARE him.”

    - my co-pilot le savoir-faire…

    “Who else would praise Rin except Rin?”

    - Corporal Rusty not the only (as the punishment Rin extols daily on a proprietary blogdom, some.) Live & let; Rin Tin Tin - the smart choice.

    “So hence forth….let us all ceases to acknowledge that Rin exists….except to offer a gentle reminder to those that do so (not everyone will read this so far down on a page) and the Chiefs Kingdom will be better for it….and our blog reading will be better for it too.”

    - Harry… if you don’t stop with these lingering goodbyes we’ll never be able to talk any football.
    Wake the assembled whence you are done & ready to get started.

    Precursor, how good won’t the Chiefs be in 20-09? What say ye?


  • June 4, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    SG says:

    “Some people don’t have enough inner strength to handle being jabbed on screen - those people should avoid reading posts from certain bloggers here.”

    - like I told Harold C, Rin is a counter-puncher. If left alone He is amenable - attacked He fights back. As the bully who picks on others, aft finds self going home with the bloody nose; if only had they not started something with Rin in the first; a sting the scorpion.

    Score: Pest 1, Rest 0


  • June 4, 2009  - SG says:

    Score: Pest 1, Rest 0

    Non-scoring event I believe (and certainly a non-title bout…lol)


  • June 4, 2009  - SG says:

    “- Her-man!”

    Painfully revealing there Rin.

    “Hermanents & vitaHerms…”

    Only prescribed in Oregon for desperate euthanasia crises.

    “Zen Master Rin…”

    Feeling sorry on behalf of zen enthusiasts everywhere…lol.

    Score SG 1, Rin 0.

    “…how good won’t the Chiefs be in 20-09?”

    They won’t be 0-16 or 16-0.


  • June 4, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    No hits, no runs and none left on base. That’s the ballgame folks, the final score - Rin wins, the rest manage not to.

    - GAME OVER -

    SG said:

    “Painfully revealing there Rin.”

    - emphasis ‘Her’, dyslexia, auditory impingement and low funds the cognitive account, thine…

    “Only prescribed in Oregon for desperate euthanasia crises”

    - place where old hippies and SG’s lack comedic timing go to die- or play ‘Harvey’s’, Portland: open Wednesday - Sunday (except when SGs there) - plenty of good seats unavailable otherwise!)

    “Feeling sorry on behalf of zen enthusiasts everywhere…lol.”

    - an empath…if you are qualified as such can just as easily sense death awaits Chiefs, 2009.

    “Score SG 1 Rin 0″

    - as Bonds (you) imagined himself greater than ‘The Babe’, Ruth (Rin), you merely continue to run past a finish line a race that I won long ago; as well needed 837 more at bats to but tie my 714. The cheering has long ended, so too the crowd gone home; so should you…

    “They won’t be 0-16 or 16-0.”

    - 1-15-0 then as you be fluctuant, a good deal of Beano requisite viscera yours - as elementary the alimentary canal yours be impacted.

    Rin is the best…no others need apply.


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