What the Chiefs Got Done … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs

The veterans are out and about, enjoying a six-week vacation from the Chiefs facilities. The rookies are hanging around for another week, before they must head off to the NFL Rookie Symposium and then get their vacation.

Scott Pioli spent six months working on the roster. Todd Haley and his staff spent five months trying to mold the players into three units that will be prepared to perform come September. And some 85 players spent the last three months sweating, toiling and working to understand the new coach and his assistants.

OK, make that 83, leaving Brian Waters and Mike Vrabel out of the equation.

So just what did the Chiefs get accomplished over the last few months? Here are five things that they got done. On Friday, we’ll look at five things that did not get done.


Haley made it obvious to the players from the first day of their off-season program that there was going to be a new emphasis on strength and conditioning. This is something Haley brought with him from his previous coaching experiences and it’s also something designed to overcome one of the Chiefs biggest problems in recent years: the fourth quarter.

A lot of NFL games are won in the fourth quarter and it’s something the Chiefs have not done a good job of over the last two years. It’s a major reason they won only six of 32 games. They were 4-10 in games where at the start of the fourth quarter they were tied or trailed by seven points or less. In five other games, they started the final period with a lead and went 2-3 in those games. That’s 13 of those 26 defeats that were decided in the last 15 minutes of the game or overtime.

There was more to the program than just losing weight and getting in shape, which a large part of the Chiefs roster got done. The sessions were made competitive and designed so players had to work together. When a group started the session, it finished the session together. Nobody was off doing his own thing; everything was being done in the context of team.

As they left for vacation, the team passed the eye test and they also for the most part passed Haley’s conditioning test. Only a few of the big guys who have been rehabbing injuries couldn’t meet their required time in the test. They now have six weeks to catch up.


There’s nothing about the way that Haley and his staff run a practice that’s never been done before by a Chiefs coach. Both Gunther Cunningham and Herm Edwards stressed quick, up-tempo practices that went at a fast pace. Sometimes Cunningham’s practices may have been too fast.

But every coach has his way of doing things and this group made the transition to Haley’s way fairly quickly. One of the terms you always hear on the practice field with the Chiefs these days is “on the hop.” That’s football slang for running from one drill to another, or one field to another, or one segment of the work to another. By the time they got done this week, there were very few players who had to be reminded they were “on the hop.” Maybe a few rookies sometimes forgot, but they will learn.

This is important because it means the team and staff will go to training camp on the same page. There will be no transition period in River Falls. Now, the camp practices will be different. There will be days with two practices, there will be full pads worn in some of the sessions and the practices will be longer and more intense.

But making the transition in the off-season to the Haley Way should make the transition in August that much easier and faster.


No coach and his staff walk into a new situation and overhaul one facet of the game in five months. Make no mistake of this fact: there are miles and miles to go for the Chiefs defense to become something the team can count on.

But what they’ve gotten done so far is pretty remarkable. There’s no question as the OTAs ended that the defense was ahead of the offense and Haley indicated that most of the defense had been installed, including blitz packages. Given that the defense is switching from a base 4-3 to a base 3-4 and with a new coordinator and three other new assistant coaches, what got done as the players ran around in helmets and underwear was unexpected.

They ran around the practice field like they knew what they were doing. Now there were the occasional obvious mental mistakes and probably a bunch more that weren’t so obvious. But when they were making mistakes, the Chiefs were going full speed and coaches love that.

One of the keys to that was LB Zach Thomas. He was there for every practice and he took charge immediately of the defensive huddle. In comparison to Vrabel who took part in just five practices, Thomas was there for all 16 workouts.

If Thomas can stay healthy for 16 games, his presence alone will improve the Chiefs defense.


Just consider where the situation was with L.J. at the start of the year. He wanted out of town. He was facing a pair of assault charges. The NFL Players Association had a grievance filed against the Chiefs over guaranteed payouts from Johnson’s contract.

With Carl Peterson gone, Johnson did not have a friend in the organization. He’d even turned off the GM by the end of last season with his behavior. There was a new sheriff in town, and everyone, and I mean everyone figured L.J. was as good as gone.

But as the Chiefs headed off to vacation, Johnson is still part of the Chiefs. In fact, he’s likely going to be a very big part of the team’s offense in the coming season. I say likely because with L.J. things can never be said and then written into concrete. His history means anything is possible.

But it didn’t take Haley and his staff long to realize what they had when they saw a motivated and in shape Johnson run the ball during practices. Now, whether L.J. is ready to be a complete back (catching the ball and blocking as well) remains to be seen. During the OTAs, he ran some nice pass routes, getting away from coverage with his moves rather than his power.

We’ve talked about this before: Johnson knows the only place he’s going to make big money in the NFL is right here with the Chiefs. The team’s salary cap situation is such that they do not need to try and bring down his cap number this season.

L.J. is motivated, in shape and the next six weeks are critical. If he stays out of trouble, continues working to maintain his conditioning and gets through to the start of the regular season without injury, he’s headed for a big year.


There’s no question the Chiefs passing game ended the off-season with more work to do. There were too many drops, too many overthrown and underthrown passes and too many missed connections. Some of that was to be expected, given a new quarterback working with unfamiliar receivers.

But even with less than stellar performances, the tools that Cassel brings to the game were visible. That could be seen on the field and it could be heard in the locker room. “He’s a good football player,” said Brodie Croyle. “My job is to back him up.”

Cassel has become a leader on this team very quickly. Part of that is his personality. Part of that is the void in leadership that has occurred in the locker room with so many young faces and leadership type veterans who haven’t been leading (again Waters and Vrabel.)

There is much left for Cassel to prove about himself and his ability to lead this football team to victories. He doesn’t have Randy Moss and Wes Welker. He doesn’t have Bill Belichick. Last year he had some success keeping a seat warm for Tom Brady. With the Chiefs, much more is expected of him.

Through the middle of June, Cassel was getting the job done.

COMING ON FRIDAY: Five things the Chiefs did not get done in the off-season.


BRONCOS – released LB Boss Bailey and LB Louis Green; signed C Casey Wiegmann to a new two-year contract for $4.7 million.

BROWNS – claimed LB Blake Costanzo off waivers (Bills).

FALCONS – released C Alex Stepanovich.

JAGUARS – released QB Chet Lemon and WR Jason English; signed QB Todd Boeckman and WR Andy Strickland

PATRIOTS – released LB Antonio Appleby.

TEXANS – signed K Kris Brown to a four-year contract extension; signed fourth-round draft choice TE Anthony Hill.

TITANS – released DL Charles Bennett, DL Ulrich Winkler and G Pete Clifford.


Born on June 18, 1953 in McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania was QB Tom Clements (left with Brett Favre.) After playing in the Canadian Football League, Clements signed with the Chiefs for the 1980 season. He appeared in one game for the team, completing seven of 12 passes for 77 yards. Clements went back to the CFL for the 1981 season. He returned to the Chiefs in 2000 as quarterbacks coach for one season.

Born on June 18, 1955 in Sandusky, Ohio was NT Stan Johnson. He signed with the Chiefs out of Tennessee State and played during the 1978 season with the team, appearing in 10 games.

51 Responses to “What the Chiefs Got Done … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • June 18, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    Great Cup O’Chiefs today, Bob!

    The success of much of the above is yet to be determined of course, but there’s no doubt that the new regime has put in a lot of hard work.

    I think in a perfect world this team could lean heavily on L.J. while trying to get all the other pieces working, but something tells me there will be drama in the L.J. department sometime this seadon.

  • June 18, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    “sometime this seadon”

    Or perhaps even this season.

  • June 18, 2009  - The IT Guy says:

    Great Read Bob!

    Im excited about training camp, thats for sure. As far as waters goes, we no longer need him to be the leader he was, just get in shape and block DL. Hes good at that, or so I have heard. Also, it was great to see what Pioli and Haley did with that situation. We all know R.T.T is on here spouting about how much Waters stuck it to Todd and Scott, but that could not be further from the truth. Waters asked for a trade, but was not granted one, because they chose not too. Waters took it public, but no one from 1 Arrowhead drive made a peep, and waters lost in the court of public opinion as well. And, to top it off, they made him look bad coming after coming into camp out of shape. His pride is hurt, but he will be in shape and ready to play, whether he wants to or not. As for Vrabel, he is going to collect his checks and prove a point that OTA’s are optional and he cant be forced to do them. I am ok with that as long as he is prepared.

    Go Chiefs!

  • June 18, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    I dont think that Waters has a different point of view from Vrabel as OTA’s goes, he is the chiefs player’s representative for the NFLPA… i believe that Waters will come in prepared, hopefully he comes in and plays like he always has, if not the chiefs could be in trouble. They do need him on the O-line this year, it will show in practice…

  • June 18, 2009  - Rip 'em a new one says:

    Adding to the comments of others, outstanding work Bob.

  • June 18, 2009  - Scott says:

    I’m still pretty nervous about counting on LJ this year. I’d still like to see us pick up a decent veteran as insurance. (Edge is still out there…isn’t he?)

  • June 18, 2009  - devildog 1976 says:

    Thanks for the summary Bob! I hope there is new stuff to read in the next six weeks, even if the boys went on vacation. Some how I know that we will have a TEAM built on………..

    The right 53, (22)

    In the Coach I trust

  • June 18, 2009  - SG says:

    “But making the transition in the off-season to the Haley Way…”

    The Patriot Way, the Haley Way…another popular buzzword use. I think these guys should earn the use of such terms only after they put a team in the playoffs - otherwise we’ll be using the term “the Forgotten Way.”

    “If Thomas can stay healthy for 16 games, his presence alone will improve the Chiefs defense.”

    Even if not, this defense will be better - because they can ask this guy what the coach wants and what to look for as they see things in real time.

  • June 18, 2009  - SG says:

    “…signed C Casey Wiegmann to a new two-year contract for $4.7 million.”

    Now I’d like to see how many people think CP made a great call in cutting this guy loose? Nope - we didn’t have cap room for this kind of player. One thing that brings on a certain bit of nausea, more than when our own players fail, is when we have somebody good, we cut them loose, and they do great for our rivals. I was angry when KC cut loose Rich Gannon, and I can’t praise this team for cutting loose Wiegmann. If the 2nd rounder we pick up ends up having a stellar career for this team…GREAT! But accountability will also occur should the opposite take place while #88 finishes his HOF career with the Dirty Birds.

  • June 18, 2009  - colby says:

    Edge is definitely still out there, so is Warrick Dunn, DeShaun Foster, and Rudi Johnson. It’s tough for a veteran RB these days. At the first sign of trouble, the Chiefs can quickly go in a different direction at RB. I’m thrilled that LJ is in shape and motivated to succeed. It very well could be 100% about the money and not the team, but that is neither here nor there. So long as he closer resembles 05-06 LJ as opposed to 07 LJ. Personally, I still think 08 LJ was pretty good, but I digress.

    Also, it sounds like Battle and Savage have both looked really good this offseason. I know they aren’t quite as exciting, but I feel good about our depth behind LJ.

  • June 18, 2009  - Gump says:

    Good stuff Bob! Keep up the good work. Thanks.

  • June 18, 2009  - Scott says:

    I hope you’re right, Colby. Because if we can’t run the ball this year…we’ll be screwed.

    In addition to Edge, Dunn could be a good pick-up. These guys know how to get it done. Certainly not the every-down backs they once were…but still have some gas in the tank. They’re both “pros”…and could also help “mentor” LJ on how act, on the field and off.


    I think getting rid of Casey was a BIG mistake. It’s one thing to let a veteran player go…but only if you have someone good to replace them. We obviously didn’t. And still don’t.

  • June 18, 2009  - jimbo says:

    Bob, You’re a Tireless Trooper. Thank You…

    I heard the Chiefs are about to sign kicker Succop. I think this kid could be a good one. Would make a great story in December if the last player selected in the draft turned out to be a talented & clutch kicker.

    I have felt good about LJ for quite some time this year. He has been quiet, timely and for all intents & purposes a good soldier. If this does’nt change, I expect a great year out of him. If you think about it, he has’nt been knocked around or beat up in the last two seasons. I agree with Colby he looked good in 08. We fell behind in games so often last year, that we had to pass all the time.
    I also agree with Haley’s approach on training camp. If the guys are in great shape & already have some knowledge of the new systems being implemented. They should have a leg up & ready for actual “Training Camp” not conditioning camp. A vast step ahead of seasons past. Go Chiefs!

  • June 18, 2009  - anonymous says:

    I’m not worried about LJ, if he reverts back to past form, I think Battle can play the power back roll, and be just as productive. But the key is there has to be a hole to run through, regardless of who’s running the ball, and even more importantly, the coach has to have the will to run the ball. Last season, Herm and Gailey just flat quit trying to run the ball. Remember Herms Stupid remark about “the short passing game was the same as running the ball”?

    I could be way wrong, but I feel like the Chiefs are set (barring multiple injuries) at Running Back.

    On the topic of Peterson, Not signing Wiegman was bad, but the deal with Jared Allen was inexcusable!!

    Thanks Author, Outstanding!

  • June 18, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    “There’s no question the Chiefs passing game ended the off-season with more work to do.”

    - matt

    “too many overthrown and underthrown passes and too many missed connections.”

    - cassel…

    Much ado about nothing… aka ’search’ & ‘check’ ‘09. “Any 22 will do” - yes, as in 0-16…

  • June 18, 2009  - Scott says:

    Rin Tin Tin says:
    “- yes, as in 0-16…”

    We’ll see, JW…we’ll see.

    Not that I really need more motivation to see my team do well…but I can’t wait to see you proven wrong. Yet again.

    Oh…and the key words in the quote you quoted?

    “…ended the off-season…”

    Off season. Get it? The OFF SEASON. Translation for the IQ challenged? The season has not started yet.

  • June 18, 2009  - head cheif says:

    good article bob keep up the good work

  • June 18, 2009  - alex k says:

    how is getting rid of casey a mistake? hes a SMALL center, he cant play our offense and wouldve been KILLED in the spread.

  • June 18, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    head cheif, it’s spelled CHIEF.

  • June 18, 2009  - Scott says:

    alex k says:
    “how is getting rid of casey a mistake? hes a SMALL center, he cant play our offense and wouldve been KILLED in the spread.”

    Well…Casey went to the Pro Bowl last year, for one. And he’s WAY better than Rudy Niswanger. That’s why I’d call it a mistake. But…that’s just me.

  • June 18, 2009  - Merwin says:

    Another guy the Chiefs could have used last year who was cast off was Tony Richardson. He will be with the Jets when they go to training camp this summer, at age 37. Since I am working 1/4 mile away from the Cortland State campus here in central NY, I hope to get a chance to say hi to him. Priest and Larry had their best seasons running behind Tony and that great offensive line.

  • June 18, 2009  - SG says:

    The “OFF” SEASON

    Hopefully not for long (with regard to passing accuracy)…LOL

  • June 18, 2009  - anonymous says:

    Merwin, Great point! I can’t believe I let Richardson s release slip my mind.

  • June 18, 2009  - SG says:

    “how is getting rid of casey a mistake?”

    You’re not alex k stepanovich are you? There might still be a job opening for you - we’ve got millions and millions in cap room - Wiegmann’s no longer here and his replacements aren’t exactly inspiring awe and fear.

    Just to help you out al on your question, we not only let go of casey with nobody #1 and nobody #2 to replace him, but our #1(a) rival, the Denver Donks, ended up landing a Pro-Bowl Center at a bargain basement price. If he didn’t fit here, he certainly fit there…and I can’t say it’s benefitted us much.

  • June 18, 2009  - anonymous says:

    alex k,
    Not many Centers are asked (nor capable) to pull as a lead blocker like Wiegman did.

  • June 18, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Scott says

    “Rin Tin Tin”

    - yes, what is it now?

    “We’ll see JW…we’ll see.”

    - oh, so you have a drinking problem, Scottie…

    “Not that I really need more motivation”

    - the more you drink the better ’search’ & ‘check’ will appear - until you stop…

    “to see my team do well”

    - you will have to find another team…

    “but I can’t wait”

    - it’s been 40 years now; you can wait…

    “to see you”

    - is to love me: Rin…


    - a fact. And you are?

    “wrong. Yet again.”

    - as always - good, we’ve consensus then…

    “Oh…and the key words in the quote you quoted?”

    - well if you’re not sure…

    “ended the off-season.”

    - came the next nigh on…

    “Off season.”

    - next season…

    “Get it?”

    - got it? Good!

    “The OFF SEASON.”

    - the NEXT SEASON…

    “Translation for the IQ challenged?”

    - well again, if you’re not certain then you must be the latter…

    “The season has not started yet.”

    - the end is near…’search’ & ‘check’ are here…

  • June 18, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Fake Rin post above replying to head cheif…cue yet another Elton John paraphrase: “Green eyes… fake Rin’s got, green eyes.”

    heh heh heh

  • June 18, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    anonymous says:
    Not signing Wiegman was bad, but the deal with Jared Allen was inexcusable!!

    Jared Allen forced his way out of here becuase he hated King Carl. Carl and Herm decided they’d get what they could for him. We’ll have to see if that ever pans out for us, but make no mistake, we #1 lost a damn good player and #2 had to because of Carl Peterson, plain and simple.

  • June 18, 2009  - SuperbowlIVVictors says:


    I command you to kill yourself!

  • June 18, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    Real Rin or fake Rin….it’s all the same. Fake Rin has real Rin down pretty good.

    But I’m not talking about Rin….no….it’s Whitlock….yeah….I’m talking about Whitlock…..or he could be Jaywalk that I have seen posting in other forums. They are interchangeable.

    ANYWAY…….great article Bob. More…more…..

  • June 18, 2009  - gorillafan says:


    I can take alot, but this (RIN) is just freaking stupid

    Were talking about him AGAIN, so hes probably pleasuring himself now!–out of line, I know. But someone needs to say it

  • June 18, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    p.s. Great article today, looking forward to fridays cup

  • June 18, 2009  - Josh says:


    PROBABLY? No, there’s no doubt in my mind, he’s in his own personal ecstacy.

  • June 18, 2009  - anonymous says:

    Bowe’s singing a different tune now boys, if you’ll remember back to his comments from a week or so ago.


    That was then….

    This is now….


    Notice any subtle difference?

  • June 18, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    Good one. He sounds more humble and accountable. Maybe more focused on what needs to happen and less on the “show”. Lets hope it transferrs over to the field and game.

  • June 18, 2009  - Scott says:

    RedandGoldRice says:
    “Good one. He sounds more humble and accountable. Maybe more focused on what needs to happen and less on the “show”. Lets hope it transferrs over to the field and game.”

    Yeah…here’s hoping. Remember, the only Coach Bowe’s had at this level was Herm. And we all know what that was like.

    Haley knows a thing or two about working with receivers…and he’s coached some good ones. So let’s hope he can turn Bowe into a “monster”.

  • June 18, 2009  - Merwin says:

    I just found this on the Sporting news web site:

    Mo. board revises training camp deal for Chiefs
    Associated Press Comments (0)More
    Thursday, Jun. 18, 2009 - 2:00 p.m. ET
    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — Missouri officials have approved a deal to bring the Kansas City Chiefs training camp back to Missouri for at least 10 years.
    The agreement approved Thursday by the Missouri Development Finance Board guarantees the Chiefs will train in Missouri over that span in exchange for $25 million in tax credits. If the Chiefs don’t follow through, they would owe penalties to the state.
    The board approved the tax credits in December, but Gov. Jay Nixon’s administration said the deal covered only five years.
    The Chiefs currently train at the University of Wisconsin in River Falls. They plan to move their summer camp to Missouri Western State University in St. Joseph next year.
    Copyright 2009 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

  • June 18, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    Scott says:
    “Haley knows a thing or two about working with receivers…and he’s coached some good ones. So let’s hope he can turn Bowe into a “monster”.

    Oh yeah! And if he can bring out the best in one or two more wide outs, we could have a threatening offense. Here’s a few I’d like to see step up and make an impact this year.

    Taurus Johnson
    Devard Darling
    Mark Bradley

  • June 18, 2009  - SG says:

    “Were talking about him AGAIN…”

    As a reminder, “we” includes you - which appears to be by decision of you.

    “…out of line, I know. But someone needs to say it.”

    No - you really didn’t need to boss man. How about talking about something else…is D-Mac gonna get the job done - or does KC need to talk to Lloyds of London about getting a $14-million insurance policy on Cassel’s arm? Who will take the WR spot opposite D-Bowe? Are you leading by example? - I’m addressing certain issues directly - treating men as men and asking them to raise the bar so we have some real discourse in here.

  • June 18, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    I understand SG, it just gets old for me, but thats just me, and I could bet most AGREE.

    to your questions, my time is short right now

    MAC? NO
    Cassell arm? YES
    WR? Bradley

  • June 18, 2009  - ILChiefsFan says:

    In the vein of gorillafan:

    MAC? Yes (at least better than last year; I expect to see more blocking from tight ends this season, too)
    Cassel arm? My guess is that policy would COST about $14M at this point
    WR? Bowe, Engram, Bradley/Darling

  • June 18, 2009  - Behind Enemy Lines says:

    I’m not too bummed about the Jared Allen trade. There is no question he is a talented pass rusher and our pass rush was virtually non-existent last year…but we got a great LT in Branden Albert. LT is probably more valuable than DE. We also got Charles, Morgan and Cottam in the 3rd round. I think 2 of those are because of the trade. Overall we got great value and the Vikings are overpaying while hoping Allen doesn’t get another DUI. I’d do that trade 100 times over. Anybody else?

  • June 18, 2009  - anonymous says:

    Speaking of BA (Brandon Albert)


    He says he played at 340 lbs last season, he’s now a svelte 305!

    It’s a worth a listen.

  • June 18, 2009  - alex k says:

    oh I agree, I like Albert, i think hes a potential pro bowl Lt, I like Charles, hes a potential sproles type, and morgan who knows…as for Cottam, I think he can step up as well, we did get good value, I still question the Morgan pick however, lets hope he can step up, nab that 3rd safety spot, not signing mike brown is a good sign.

  • June 18, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Yea I agree Behind enemy lines, I was saying that when he wanted the long term contract but didn’t want to stop drinkning and driving. missing the first two games of the season because of suspension, which really should have been the first 4 games. It was a good deal, we needed that LT, there is no Roaf out there that we could grab for a couple of years….

  • June 18, 2009  - Kevin B says:

    Lets look at this. If we had not rid ourselves of Richardson, Allen, and Wiegmann, things may have been very different last year. The cover 2 relies on blitz. If given alot of time the offense can annihilate the zone D. We had a lot of sacks in 07. Our defense would have been MUCH improved had we kept Allen. Herm was made to look like an all around fool but I think the loss of Allen devastated Herm’s plans at cover 2. On offense Richardson could have certainly helped save Croyle and maybe pushed the defense back another, I mean initial 6 inches so that Larry would not have to run into the backs of retreating MCinSack, and our flustered guard. Weigmann would have helped to say the least. I thought it was time for a change but Herm didn’t really get a fair shake. As of this year, I am hoping that we use a lot of crazy scheming and tricks or we are toast. I am looking forward to seeing some acquisitions and improvement this year. I would love to be surprised but I am just hopeful for 2010. Don’t know if I want to doll out the 300 bucks for Sunday ticket just yet

  • June 18, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Yup, Herm is STILL The Man!

    heh heh heh

  • June 18, 2009  - Mark says:

    Have to defend Carl on getting rid of Casey. He was absolutey dreadful his last year here, far worse than Rudy was last year. He looked and played like he was done. Why he quit on the Chiefs, and rebounded with Denver is on Casey, but cutting him was the correct move, at the time.

  • June 18, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    Mark says:
    “He was absolutey dreadful his last year here, far worse than Rudy was last year”.

    I agree Mark. Part of that was due to the offense Harm wanted to run vs. the offense Vermeil had run with Weigmann at center. Harm wanted to run a smash mouth, up the gut offense compared to Dick’s pull and run type O. Weigmann didn’t fit and needed to be moved. Hopefully we’ll find another center that can be effective along with a RG upgrade that isn’t long at the tooth.

  • June 18, 2009  - anonymous says:

    If ya have the best milk cow in the county, you don’t trade it away for 3 birthing Calves, just because your milk cow got out of the fence a time or two!

    It’s a pipe dream boys. That trade for Allen was no where near the trade that the Cowboys made with Walker, as Peterson tried to suggest.

    Sometimes you get the elevator, sometimes you get the shaft. The Chiefs got shafted!

    The successful teams package future draft picks to acquire more picks, or move up to fill your position of need, not trade away the best player on the team.

    Or maybe the blame should be laid at Herms feet, as some want to give Herm credit for the draft, which is a personnel decision too!

    Can’t have it both ways conehead!

  • June 18, 2009  - alex k says:

    I dont believe they got shafted, but if 2 of those guys become pro bowl players its an argument you just cant make

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