Another Old Guy On Campus … Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs

From River Falls, Wisconsin

So why did the Chiefs go out and sign a 34-year old wide receiver when they already have a 36-year old receiver on the roster?

Why has Amani Toomer (right) been added to the Chiefs list of grizzled veterans that have been added to the club’s roster by Scott Pioli and Todd Haley? Toomer joins the 36-year old Bobby Engram, the soon to be 36-year old Zach Thomas, the soon to be 34-year old Mike Vrabel and a mere youngster in this group, 31-year old safety Mike Brown.

If Pioli/Haley keep signing these kinds of veterans, the Chiefs roster may go from the youngest in the league in 2008 to the oldest in the league in 2009.

Is this any way to rebuild? Some would say no, but the Chiefs duo in charge obviously disagrees. What appears to be at work here are two factors: the 2000 New England Patriots and the desire to win as many games as possible in the 2009 season.

When Bill Belichick was hired to take over the New England Patriots for the 2000 season, he and Pioli assessed the roster they inherited and then went out and signed a bus load of veteran free agents. They did not commit big dollars or lengthy contracts to those guys, but they raised the level of competition and also the chance to win games.

That didn’t happen with the 2000 Patriots, as they went 5-11 after finishing 8-8 the season before.

But the 2001 Patriots won the Super Bowl.

What’s interesting about those free agents the Patriots signed that year, only two were the age of Toomer/Engram/Thomas/Vrabel. CB Otis Smith was a 35-year old playing in his 10th season in the league and WR Chris Calloway was 32 and in his 11th season. Smith started 12 games that year, but Calloway was barely a contributor, catching five passes for 95 yards.

Of course, in early August we don’t know what kind of contributions that Toomer et al. al will make to the ‘09 Chiefs. There’s no guarantee they all make the final roster, although right now with the state of the names on that roster, it would be a surprise if all five of those veterans are not part of the final 53-man group that gets ready to play Baltimore in the regular-season opener.

If these guys play, they will take away snaps from younger players. But what younger players have shown any promise? At wide receiver right now the young guy drawing the most attention is Arena League refugee Rodney Wright. But he’ll be 30 years old in November. The only youngsters are rookies Taurus Johnson and Quinten Lawrence; neither has jumped forward in the first days of practice.

If Toomer has “gas left in his tank” as Haley indicated on Tuesday, he’s becomes the second best receiver on the team, which tells plenty about the talent level at the position. His signing is a pretty good indication that the coaching staff doesn’t figure Lawrence is ready to make a big contribution.

At linebacker there are three rookies on the roster, all undrafted players. Wes Dacus and Andy Studebaker are second-year players. Everybody else is in the third year or more.

If Brown makes the team he could take away snaps from second-year safety DaJuan Morgan, that’s if the second-year man should happen to also make the squad.

And then there’s reason No. 2 for going with some older veterans: winning. The Chiefs are 6-26 in the last two seasons. As we mentioned the other day with the roster turnover that has gone on, there are only three players on this roster who were part of the 13-3 team of the 2003 Chiefs that was such a disappointment with the loss in the playoffs to Indianapolis: Larry Johnson, Brian Waters and Monty Beisel.

Winning is a habit. So is losing, and that’s become a nasty habit around the Chiefs in the last few years. Herm Edwards thought he had time to rebuild with a young roster and learned otherwise. Haley doesn’t want to go down that road; he wants to rebuild and find a way to win as many games as possible along the way.

If these older veterans can stay on the field and deliver a winning performance, it could jump start the won-lost record for the ‘09 season. That could jump start the entire rebuild process.

Now, Amani Toomer, Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel and Mike Brown just have to make the roster.


Chiefs No. 1 draft choice Tyson Jackson has now missed six practices and unless something miraculous happened overnight, that total is likely to reach eight as the team has a pair of workouts set for Wednesday.

Jackson is one of nine first-round picks that remain unsigned. Joining him are the picks at No. 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 14.

The Chiefs don’t comment on negotiations, while Jackson’s agent Eugene Parker has chosen to handle his end of this situation under the radar.


  • BRONCOS – DE Jarvis Moss returned to practice. He had left the team for several days.
  • EAGLES – signed LB Matt Wilhelm (Chargers).
  • JETS – claimed TE Kevin Brock on waivers (Panthers) and released TE Richard Owens.
  • RAVENS – have lost OT Adam Terry for the season (knee).
  • TEXANS – placed RB Clifton Dawson on the injured reserve list; CB Jacques Reeves suffered a broken leg during practice on Tuesday
  • VIKINGS – released WR Aundrae Allison.

On August 5, 1972 the Chiefs beat the Chicago Bears 24-10 in a Saturday afternoon pre-season game at Notre Dame Stadium in South Bend, Indiana. A crowd of 32,391 watched the game where RB Ed Podolak had a 10-yard touchdown run, RB Mike Adamle scored on a two-yard run and RB Wendell Hayes caught a four-yard TD pass from QB Len Dawson. Hayes ran 11 times for 64 yards and caught four passes for 21 yards in the game. Bears QB Bobby Douglass was just four 11 for 26 yards and he ran five times for 26 yards.


Born on August 5, 1950 in Dallas was RB Wendell Hayes. He joined the Chiefs via a trade in 1968 after playing several seasons for the Denver Broncos. Hayes and DB Goldie Sellers came to the Chiefs in exchange for a third and fourth-round draft choices. The deal was a very good one for the Chiefs, as Hayes played seven seasons (1968-74), appearing in 93 games with 56 starts. He carried the ball 668 times for 2,560 yards and 18 TDs, caught 115 passes for 998 yards and 5 TDs and returned six kicks for a 26-yard average.

Born on August 5, 1963 in Marion, South Carolina was LB Louis Cooper. He joined the Chiefs in 1985 and played six seasons (1985-90), appearing in 79 games with 12 starts. He had 7.5 sacks and one interception with the team.

63 Responses to “Another Old Guy On Campus … Wednesday Cup O’Chiefs”

  • August 5, 2009  - ralphy says:

    Don’t forget about the new RG, 33 year old Mike Goff!

    I hope these vets help churn out some more wins and am optimistic they will.

  • August 5, 2009  - Carlm says:

    Lol, we have been here, done this. The worst of it is we always lose. old guys in the nfl stink. i will be impressed if we beat last years record with this junk. first we replace an up and coming qb with another one. both had the same kind of stats except the win loss and i dont think we upgraded. i see another rich gannon/elvis grbac thing going on again. sounds like haley is vying for a spot as the assistant running coach for a track team. I love this team and hope i’m wrong but have seen this in the past with this team and where did it get them. back in the sewer again. I am not impressed with the Pioli/haley tandem “yet”.

  • August 5, 2009  - get real says:

    I am not sure if all this will work out but I know one thing herm’s version of lets play youth was just a crappy team and no fun for the fans. It showed no signs of life in year two and he is gone so can we move on Bob?

  • August 5, 2009  - Michael says:

    I like all these moves, and I haven’t seen these type of signings before in KC. Sure, they’ve brought in vets before, but these guys come from a mold-smart, highg football IQ-high character, winning backgrounds, willing to compete and teach.

    The signing of Toomer may mean Haley actually does think Bradley and/or Darling can be really good. To me, he strikes me as the type of coach who would do that; bring in a vet just when a younger guy is showing the most upside. Don’t give the young player anything, just make them keep working.

    At the very least, though, if Toomer does have something left, it will raise the level of play from the WR group to competent. There were too many positions on the roster last year that weren’t even that.

    Even if it is a rebuild year, you have to try to win as many games as you can. It gets everything moving in the right direction, and couldn’t hurt when trying to sign FA in 2010.

  • August 5, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:


    Be a fan.

  • August 5, 2009  - findthedr says:


    Be a man!

    (russel peters reference)

  • August 5, 2009  - JP says:

    I don’t think that the old guys are such a bad thing. Sprinkle some experience in key postitions to show the young guys how it’s done. The wide reciever position is a great example. They may not get great seperation, but they can catch the ball…move the chains. I’m not saying any of these guys get the Chiefs to the Super Bowl this year. Then again none of the young guys last year did either. If we can make it back to the middle of the pack somewhere it would be huge step.

    On a side note I hope the players will survive the beating they are taking. It sounds like the coach is walking a fine line. I hope it pays dividends in the future.

  • August 5, 2009  - SG says:

    What connection does Toomer have to the Bill Parcells retirement/welfare program?

  • August 5, 2009  - Carlm says:

    Tr&g always been a fan. but i expect more than most because i have seen this before. if you are a fan you would have seen it too. vermeil, shottenheimer ring any bells for any of you. and findthedr got a few words but we would have to meet and i would show you what a man is!your not funny.

  • August 5, 2009  - True Red & Gold says:


    You mean the Vermeil and Schottenheimer eras where we MADE the playoffs? Yeah, those were really hard to watch, moreso than than the last three years. If you want to talk about rough, go back to the 1980’s where we just flat out didn’t have much talent. I’ll take an old guy who can make a young guy a better player over the blind leading the blind any day of the week.

  • August 5, 2009  - The IT Guy says:

    Lol, we havent been here and done this. U need to see past your biases and past experiences. The guys they are signing are short term deals, stop gaps until they can replace them with better players through the draft or free agency. We are not sinking big money into these guys, or years. Low risk, high reward. Look forward, not back. and seriously, challenging someone to a fight in a forum? what are you, 17? seriously, grow up or post elsewhere.

  • August 5, 2009  - Scott says:

    Let’s see now…how many games to we play against the NFC East this year? Including the Giants? You think Toomer might have a little insight into those teams/games…and how to play/prepare for them? Just thought I’d throw that out there.

    I think Pioli and Haley are trying to put together the best team they can right NOW, and build for the future. I’m not worried…because I they know a helluva lot more about building a winning team than any of us do. Why don’t some of you wait and see the product on the field before you claim the new guys are a total failure?

  • August 5, 2009  - The IT Guy says:


    Damn fine point sir. See, this is what this site needs, intelligent people with solid opinions. I thought the same when they signed Goff. Why not get a guy who gives you inside info on a team you play twice a year.

  • August 5, 2009  - Josh says:

    I, for one am glad to have Engram and Toomer both. I think Bowe could learn a lot about being a great receiver and person from those guys.

  • August 5, 2009  - The IT Guy says:


    A scarecrow with shoulder pads could have been better at Right Guard last year. Just saying.

  • August 5, 2009  - SG says:

    “I’ll take an old guy who can make a young guy a better player over the blind leading the blind any day of the week.”

    I’d take Verm over Herm any day of the week too.

  • August 5, 2009  - gorillafan says:

    I too am okay with every single vetran that we have signed. No big contracts, just one year, leadership, smarts, knows what it takes to win, ect ect ect.

    IMO, we are far better off roster wise than we have been in 4 years!!

    I just hope we can make it through the NFC East with a 500. record. If we can do that, good, good, things are going to happen.

    If we cant, well we still are going to have more wins this year than we have in the last 2!!

  • August 5, 2009  - SG says:

    “Let’s see now…how many games to we play against the NFC East this year? Including the Giants? You think Toomer might have a little insight into those teams/games…and how to play/prepare for them?”


  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Real Rin ® daddy-o sez -

    Day 6 of “The Fugitive” is upon us…but now all the episodes run together nee have the same feel: today’s episode - “Ty me kangaroo down sport, Ty me kangaroo down.”

    It does put the smirk to one’s face to note the silence nee mute testimony to s failure to get his #1 draft choice into training camp - this compared to a former GM/CEO/Prez who would have been pilloried or hung in effigy by now had he still been here & dared to do so.

    - - - - -

    “So why did the Chiefs go out and sign a 34-year old wide receiver when they already have a 36 - year old receiver on the roster?”

    - because “any 22 will do” majored in golf and not math at college (the scorecard was always problematic too.)

    This current KC roster - unlike the virginal one Herm left the Chiefs - is starting to look more like an expansion team after an allocation draft.
    As Bob G said whence a football team potentially can go from the youngest to oldest matter of one off season, one cannot help but believe that the resolve of ownership is just not there…if what you see is what you get, this ship be rudderless and more so ‘lost at sea.’

    As Rin wrote in His excellent ‘hermstheman’ post on the local fishwrap, mix one vacillating owner formerly of the ‘let youth be served school’ of belief with two NFL rookies/GM & Coach & you get the recipe for convenience as well disaster…an upside down cake to be sure.

    Here it is -

    “Of all the new faces on the Chiefs this year the biggest underachievers/ disappointments have been Haley & Pioli. Based on their football efforts to date they’re reminiscent of yet another great duo - Millen & Marinelli. Send in the clowns? Don’t bother, they’re here.

    An off season free agent haul that must be considered underwhelming/embarrassing, a draft that looks as mediocre as any Carl Peterson ever produced (that the new GM has been as unsuccessful as the former getting his #1 pick signed refuting the KC party line that “things are different now!”) & a former golf (now football) coach who utters such self serving nonsense as “I can take any 22 players from off the street and”- and what…cut them down to size both girth & dignity, you b*****n?

    Throw in a vacillating owner who’s all in for a youth movement one year & the very next is tap dancing in support the other extreme embrace veterans, & you’ve the Cowardly Lion to augment the aforementioned Scarecrow & Tin Man.

    - - - - -

    Now that we all have that blood pumping we end on the always happier note…yesteryear.

    Wendell “King” (more so ‘Waldo’) Hayes, forever immortalized by a bit panicked Coach Hank Stram in Superbowl IV: “Wendell Hayes! Wendell Hayes! Where’s Wendell Hayes?!”

    Along with Curtis McClinton, ‘Waldo’ remains the best and most complete FB to ever wear a Chiefs uniform.

  • August 5, 2009  - Picasso says:

    You’re right, we have seen this before, except before CP would drop a huge contract in their lap and throw a parade and press conference as the latest ’savior of the day’ came into town.

    The new regime signed him to a one year contract, no muss, no fuss - and put a veteran influence into a woefully overlooked position.

    It’s a whole new ball game, forget the past.

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  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Picasso said

    “You’re right, we have seen this before, except before CP would drop a huge contract in their lap and throw a parade and press conference as the latest ’savior of the day’ came into town.”

    - give time…like he’s giving Ty now.

    “It’s a whole new ball game, forget the past.”

    - never forget - that the current as past 40 some years Chiefs attest they’ve forgotten to remember how to win… some things never change.


  • August 5, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    I like the signings. It shows that the Chiefs are not just going to lie down and accept a non-wining year because it is a “rebuilding” year. They want to win as much as possible. We should not expect a playoff berth this year….and if we got one it would be a huge bonus. Next year and the next are the years where we realistically should see something special. But I’m glad they are trying their best to beat the trends and win now.

    I will be happy if we can be at least a little respectable this year…..and really happy if the Broncos finish in the basement.


  • August 5, 2009  - Scott says:

    “some things never change”

    Yeah…like your negative attitude.

    Some things DO change. We’ll see. Remember, pretty much the number one thing Haley said he needed to do was to change the losing attitude. The very same attitude Herm Edwards instilled in this team during his time here. So at least Haley is smart enough to recognize the problem, huh?

    The vets we’ve signed basically all have one thing in common…they come from good teams. They know how to win. Our young guys don’t.

  • August 5, 2009  - Josh says:

    good point, Scott.

    Although, if I know anything about Herm, these young guys can probably eat a sh*tload of Fig Newtons. They learned from the best!

  • August 5, 2009  - burnsomatic says:

    Why would anybody get mad with us picking up someone with a superbowl ring. That makes no sense to me. All of are vets we picked up this year have either won a superbowl or been in the playoffs, there is nothing wrong with that.

  • August 5, 2009  - gorillafan says:


  • August 5, 2009  - Tom says:

    I think we havent really scrapped the youth movement, the powers that be have evaluated talent, and found none.
    They looked at film, discovered the weakneses of the team, then they looked over the available talent in the draft. They evaluated which talent in the draft would most impact fixing weakness in the Chiefs. THen they filled in the gaps with vets. A one year contract in the NFL means your spot will get drafted high next year. Unfortunately they did not have 32 first round draft choices this year, or they would be the youngest team in the NFL.
    I believe the quote was “22 guys off the street could win 2 games”, what he should have said was except in Detroit!

  • August 5, 2009  - jimbo says:

    The winds of change are blowing around Chiefs Nation.
    New GM, new Head Coach, new assistants to all the new coaches. There is alot of movement, decisions, philosophys, styles, attitudes, new faces, old faces etc.. etc.. Tons of new information & constant changes, nearly impossible, for any one of us to digest & process so quickly.
    We blog on this site because it helps us to see if anyboby else thinks the same way we do, or maybe has a different take or perspective, or something you never even thought about. Some of us are optimistic, some sceptical, some pessimistic & a few others that get there “jollys” intentionally offending top quality bloggers with their hostile & contradicting opinions. Not to overlook the riffraff (lowest of the low)that impersonates some quality bloggers good name.
    I also think we blog on Bob’s site because he does top quality reporting with both insight & accuracy. He has a deep rooted passion for the Chiefs & their eventual rise to the top again. His articles provoke us to think and we want to respond to those thoughts with our opinions, analysis & respectful debating.
    Plain & Simple this website has the most talented, intelligent, football savvy, Chief crazy (in a good way) bloggers on the planet.

    For those of you that are hesitant to stay on board here @ I ask you to stick around, keep expressing yourself, don’t let the small minded little people distract you from your mission.
    As long as you are a “True Chiefs Fan” I will always enjoy & respect your opinions, even if I disagree… Let’s keep the winds a blowing…Go Chiefs.

    Bob reads some of our blogs. He has seen & will address the riffraff in due time.

  • August 5, 2009  - The IT Guy says:

    Agreed. Proud to blog here. This and are my favorites to check out. Honestly, AP is great for the fast updates, and Bob has more insight than any. I strongly suggest AP for those who want constant updates, or bob’s CBS link for on going updates. AP also has a great way of monitoring the comments section, I think Bob should take a look.

  • August 5, 2009  - burnsomatic says:

    I think Bob needs to hire jimbo. Good read jimbo. I agree 100%

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Scott said, response to “some things never change”,
    ‘Yeah…like your negative attitude’.

    - the truth hurts my little Scottie so…and (he) “YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!”

    Real Rin ® daddy-o, ’search’ & ‘check’ affirming…

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Scott continued his upchuck with…

    “Some things DO change. We’ll see.”

    - that sounds an awful lot like a definite maybe there, Scottie…very convincing nee compelling.


    “The vets we’ve signed basically all have one thing in common”

    - they’re older than dirt…


  • August 5, 2009  - B in SC says:

    We should be improving the talent level wherever it comes from. If the younger guys can’t beat out a 36 year old player, they don’t deserve to play yet. From the reports I have seen, it appears all you need to do is “catch” the ball and you could start. Not a major requirement. Says a lot about the quality of receivers on our current roster. If these veterans are the best players come cut-down time, keep ‘em! You continue to draft young guy who will hopefully beat out the veterans in the coming years, but you don’t just keep a young roster for the sake of it. Many of these young guys will never pan out.

  • August 5, 2009  - Chris_Texas says:

    One thing that Josh Looney pointed out is most of these old guys have also been to the SuperBowl umm!!! That would be were I want the Chiefs to eventually get to. Incase you didn’t see it.
    QB Matt Cassel (one Super Bowl), WR Bobby Engram (one Super Bowl), LB Monty Beisel (one Super Bowl), LB Mike Vrabel (four Super Bowls), S Mike Brown (one Super Bowl) and Toomer (two Super Bowls) are the players who represent the nine Super Bowls that Pioli has brought in since becoming the Chiefs general manager. Toomer is the 13th. Kind of fitting that the player representing the 13th Super Bowl wore jersey #13 on his first day of practice.

    I also agree if the younger guys can’t beat the old guy they don’t deserve the spot. Thing is these guys can get in these younger guys’ head about winning as well maybe they would like to get another before they retire. I understand about Vermeil tried and don’t get me wrong I like Vermeil but he was too soft and also I know training camp isn’t over but you don’t see these old vets getting practices off like you did in the Vermeil and Edwards era’s…

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    jimbo said

    “Some of us are optimistic”

    - the glass is half full…

    “some sceptical”

    - the glass is half empty…

    “some pessimistic”

    - now you’ve done it - all the glasses have calcium deposits…

    “There Was A New GM Who Lived In Delu(sion)”

    There was a new GM who lived in delu(sion),
    signed so many vets cause he thought could use them,
    gave some sloth with legs theirs like lead,
    ran them so mercilessly,
    That soon they dropped dead.”

    THE END (now as the Chiefs 2009 season be)

    “& a few others that get there “jollys” intentionally offending top quality bloggers with their hostile & contradicting opinions.”

    - I’ve talked to Scott & Josh but they’re just bound and determined to continue bringing this blog down to their level (how low can they go? Soooo low they have to look up to see down…)

    “Not to overlook the riffraff (lowest of the low)that impersonates some quality bloggers good name.”

    - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - though they only flatter themselves whence they fail at every to capture the Rin Tin Tin knack…

    “For those of you that are hesitant to stay on board here @ I ask you to stick around, keep expressing yourself, don’t let the small minded little people distract you from your mission.”

    - thanks for your support…Rin appreciates it.


  • August 5, 2009  - alex k says:

    For the longest time, people complained that Pollard and others got a starting job by just being young…

    how is signing a bunch of vets to 1 year deals hurting this team?

    would it be better to keep a mediocre 22 year old, or Toomer who caught 48 balls last season?

    ONE YEAR CONTRACTS!!!! little to no long term commitment….I dont see a negative.

    Plus, people forget of huard/d.edwards/surtain were replaced by 3 of the vets, and those guys listed had LONG contracts with BIG money….not 1 year deals worth 1 mil.

    I was dead wrong on Tyson Jackson, I really thought he would have told his agent to get it done NOW….Kind of a bummer, glad Magee has been showing up though.

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Let Rin turn positive (SHOCK!!!) for a brief moment this, and play Nostradamus wearing his rose-colored Chiefs glasses)-

    Magee will be a better player than Tyson Jackson…


  • August 5, 2009  - Josh says:

    Haha, “picking” on me again. I’m flattered that the Great and Powerful Rin (see, Oz…and no fair peeking behind that curtain at the little man from the Omaha Fair)would waste his typing fingers blogging about little old me.

    Rin is, to borrow a description of the musical career, opinion mine and countless others with musical taste, of one fat slob; Tony Bennett, “a hack.”

  • August 5, 2009  - Hank says:

    To All,
    I agree with all the posts relating to the 1) short term signing of older veterans 2) pedigree/character of each man and 3)championship appearances represented by each. This is much different than what CP did as he did not focus on all three points above.

    There is a fourth point that I haven’t noticed in any post however. That is the “balance” per position of veterans verses youth. On the offensive line you have two “quality” vets out of five. In the LB’s you have two quality vets out of four. In the receivers you have two quality vets out of four. DB’s only need one out of four and you have him. And if (and I mean if) LJ returns to form you have a quality RB among the youngsters. That only leaves the D-Line with younger players (except Boone and soon Hali). I have read a couple of articles where the one spot to major in youth (and rotation)is D-Line as it is the first to wear down. So yes I like the vets, the kind of vets and the balance of vets.

  • August 5, 2009  - Chris_Texas says:

    I am also getting sick of Ty$on Jack$on already you have proven nothing get your butt to camp with a 3yr deal and if your worth it you will get the big money in two yrs when they extend it.

  • August 5, 2009  - Scott says:

    “I’ve talked to Scott & Josh but they’re just bound and determined to continue bringing this blog down to their level (how low can they go? Soooo low they have to look up to see down…)”

    LMAO! Nice try. But, I’m pretty sure everyone here knows who “brings this blog down…”.

    And “the truth hurts”? Ha! Another good one. Let’s see, you try TELLING it once in awhile…and I’ll see how painful it is. How’s that? Because 90% of what you spew here is nothing but pure nonsense.

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Real Rin ® daddy-o sez, response to Scottie who said -

    “90% of what you spew here is nothing but pure nonsense.”

    - Scottie’s lying as he’s lieing again: he’s said over & over (like the little boy who cries wolf): ” I never read Rin… and I also am not going to respond to Him ever again.”

    His amnesia must be bothering him again… this makes Scottie prototype # 999…watch him as he tries to tap dance his way out of this one (he’s very good at tap dancing while evidencing forked tongue - he must have practiced with Jr.)

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Real Rin daddy-o sez, response to Josh who said -

    “Haha, “picking” on me again.”

    - heh heh heh, feels good don’t it - Rin Tin Tin is a natural phenomenon who doesn’t discriminate - He’s an equal opportunity destroyer…

    “I’m flattered”

    - don’t be - Rin eviscerated Scottie just before you, runnerup…

  • August 5, 2009  - Scott says:

    Yeah, Rin I responded to you. Even after I’ve said several times that I wouldn’t do it any more. I admit it. No problem.

    Thing is…

    Somebody has to call you on your BS. So every now and then, I step up and do it…even though I really shouldn’t waste the energy. And just in case you’ve not figured out what everybody else here already knows for a fact…I own your ass every single time.

  • August 5, 2009  - Josh says:

    I agree with Scott. Rin can’t formulate a consistant arguement, so when someone disagrees with him, he shoots out a load of written diarrhea.

  • August 5, 2009  - CK says:

    First of all……STOP RESPONDING TO rint tint herm!
    Just scroll on by until Bob deals with the crap.

    Hank, Chris and Jimbo make some great points.
    I think that Pioli/Haley see how weak the AFC West is right now. They are signing vets with winning pedigree, short term, for few bucks. They will also help provide leadership for the quality young players that remain from the last 2 years train wreck. Signing these vets instead of keeping the trash Herm and Farmer signed off the street makes sense right now.
    The conditioning sounds great too. It was really tough watching from my seats as our Chiefs melted away every 4th quarter the last 2 years especially.

  • August 5, 2009  - Mark says:

    Hopefully only 1 of Toomer or Engram make the team. By camp accounts, Engram is struggling, so hopefully Toomer was signed to push him, not Darling/Bradley.

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    Real Rin ® daddy-o sez, response to Scottie who pleaded on bended knee his -

    “everybody else here already knows for a fact…I own your ass every single time.”

    - perchance if you click your heels together thrice and plead for said to be true long and often enough even ‘you’ will be believe it…

    heh heh heh

  • August 5, 2009  - Daniel M says:

    Once again you prevail Rin Tin Tin. Kudos.

    I’ve been reading blogs and message boards for a long time but have never seen anyone who can as deftly slice and dice other bloggers the way you do. Plus your football knowledge is also spot on.

    Keep it up.

  • August 5, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    I’m (almost) humbled…


  • August 5, 2009  - ED says:

    Carlm we haven’t heard from you in awhile and here you go with the negativtity. The Chiefs has signed solid low risk veterans. Unlike in the Peterson era when they were over payed and under played. So how is that the same.

    Anyways Toomer signing means one thing to me. Haley ain’t going to put up with losing unlike Herm was willing to. If you’re 40 yrs old and performing better than someone 25 to 28 yrs old player you’re going to make this team and play over the young guy. Of course we want to stay young but we’re not putting up with young guys thats not producing. Ain’t nothing wrong with that. That is what winning teams do they bring in guys young or old that produce. Not wait around on guys to develop and lose double digit games per season waiting on guys to develop.

    As for Cassell and Thigpen comparison. IF Tyler had prove he could be just as good of QB in a pro-style offense as he was in the spread then Cassell wouldn’t be here. But since he couldn’t in comes Cassell. A guy that is very accurate and has the work ethic to be a good player in this league. Thats no knock against Tyler he just has to improve his accuracy with throwing the ball from under center and learn how to read the whole field. Anyway like I’ve been saying all along the
    Chiefs will win AFC west this year mark my words.

  • August 5, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    ED said

    Chiefs will win AFC west this year

    hee hee hee hee hee

  • August 5, 2009  - Carlm says:

    Ed, I spoke my piece. I’m still waiting for the Chiefs duo to prove me wrong. As far as vermeil and shottenheimer did they ever take us to the superbowl. I loved the youth movement. We have never gone to the superbowl with 30+ veterans. the only time shottenheimer ever got close was 1993. just fyi herm also took us to the playoffs as i have said in the past i liked herm but he was not a head coach. Cassel was in the same offense look it up he was in the shotgun 3 times more than he was in a pro set. Thigpen wasn’t sacked as much as Cassel he has more mobility. Thigpens accuracy is what others call suspect but had pretty much the same numbers as cassel in less games. With time I’m sure his accuracy goes up. One is a career backup from high school, college and first four years as a pro (Cassel). One was full time starter his whole college career. been in the pros less time with the same stats. I would rather have the non backup playing for me. the only reason cassel is here is because of pioli. not because he is better. its because he knows pioli. As I said earlier still waiting for the new duo to impress. We do good this year. I will jump on their band wagon till then I am not convinced

  • August 6, 2009  - yabba says:

    don’t worry carlm: you are WRONG. Look at the Pats success during Pioli’s tenure.

  • August 6, 2009  - Carlm says:

    Being succesfull with the pats doesnt mean a thing. this is the KC Chiefs. I have high hopes for pioli just very disappointed he brought in a bunch of has beens and a backup to be our qb.Last year if our defense could be called a defense we would be singing a different tune this year. I am super glad gunther, peterson and Herm are gone. however, i’m not sure haley was the answer.

  • August 6, 2009  - Josh says:


    Your negativity is lame and unjustified. The Chiefs haven’t even played a snap yet.

  • August 6, 2009  - Carlm says:

    Josh Lame is a word i use for you. my negativity is justified, seen this before, no superbowls. True they havent played a snap yet, but that doesnt matter. not when this has been done before. Those who fail to study the past make the same mistakes in the future. I normally dont comment on anything here because of people like you. I use to be on here all the time had a lot of positive posts then. then people like you and haroldc. findthedr ruined it. anyone who didnt agree with you was lambasted with negativity is it any wonder that all that is on here anymore is sheep. whatever you say goes. thats not good. It feels like the KC star chat all over again. This was once an intelligent site, with intelligent people, who got along even when we disagreed. Not anymore. I started coming to this site only a couple of weeks after it got started. Read the reports every day because they were good. I still read all the posts. Didnt have a comment to make on any of the past posts. I think the last time i commented was during the draft. I commented on this one. I have a valid point but because i’m not on board with the crap that is going on i get told im unjustified, lame, and negative. It is not unjustified, lame or negative for me to want the best for this team. it is unjustified, lame and negative for some of you to write what you do when people disagree with you. more power to you, but I am finished with you morons on here. Ed thanks, you were one of the good ones. Good luck Mr. Gretz but I wont be visiting your site anymore.

  • August 6, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    ED, Cassell hasn’t proven that he can be efficient in a pro-style offense either. He played out of the shotgun a majority of snaps last year in New England

  • August 6, 2009  - Rin Tin Tin says:

    And in honor nee memory of Carlm, Rin will continue to fight the good fight - His truth is marching on!


  • August 7, 2009  - Josh says:


    If you give up that easily, I have to question your heart.

    Is it wrong for you to want the best for your team? No. You mentioned that those who fail to study the past make the same mistakes in the future, and that is sometimes true, however those who LIVE in the past find themselves with a very pathetic present (just look at Rin). Cynical comments about a regime that hasn’t even put a product on the field yet is not constructive-you can’t even use your “seen it before” arguement yet because guess what? YOU HAVEN’T SEEN IT BEFORE BECAUSE NOTHING HAS BEEN SHOWN TO US YET.

    Enjoy the ride, don’t tear the car apart while its still being built.

    I doubt you’ll admit to reading this, and that’s fine. I’ll not apologize for my stance, I’ll not apologize for lambasting “fans” like yourself who have NOTHING positive to contribute, and I’m definitely not sorry if what I’ve said keeps you from coming back to this site. You know what they say about those who can’t take the heat. I’d say I’d miss your posts, but I won’t.

  • August 7, 2009  - Josh says:

    I’m a little fairy.

  • August 7, 2009  - Scott says:

    Me too!

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