Wednesday Morning Cup O’Chiefs

The man pictured to the right is former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick.

If all is on schedule, there will be a hearing today on the grievance filed by the NFL Players Association against the Chiefs over guaranteed money in Larry Johnson’s contract.

What does Vick have to do with L.J.’s situation?

The history of the Falcons quarterback’s legal problems and guaranteed money in his contract are all part of the picture with what happened with the Chiefs running back.

It comes down to this: just how much personal responsibility is there for an NFL player to behave himself when he’s being paid multi-million dollars?  The old saying is “buyer beware”, but shouldn’t their be a standard of behavior the buyer can expect for his investment?  And if there is going to be a standard, why can’t the team get back some of its investment.

Let’s start with Vick and his situation and work forward from there to Johnson and his problems and contract.

Vick signed a 10-year, $130 million contract extension in December of 2004; it included a $37 million signing bonus. In July 2007, Vick was charged with federal crimes involving dog fighting. In August he pleaded guilty and he was suspended by the NFL. In November 2007, he entered prison even before he was sentenced, which came in December.

Immediately after Vick pleaded guilty, the Falcons sought to recoup some $20 million in bonus money that had already been paid to the quarterback. They filed a grievance and the special master/arbitrator who heard the case ruled in October 2007 that the Falcons were entitled to recover the bonus money. The Falcons argued that Vick used proceeds from a contract he signed in 2004 to finance his illicit activities.

But the NFL Players Association went to federal court in Minneapolis, before U.S. District Judge David Doty was involved in court proceedings between owners and players that brought free agency to the NFL in the early 1990s. Doty ruled that the special master’s decision on recovering the bonus money violated the NFL collective bargaining agreement with the players. The agreement does not allow signing bonuses to be forfeited for years a player has already performed.

Court arguments in front of Doty turned on interpretations of the collective bargaining agreement. A union attorney argued that Vick’s “roster bonus” should be treated the same as a “performance bonus,” which can’t be forfeited under the agreement. League attorneys maintained that the roster bonus should be treated like a “signing bonus allocation,” which could be forfeited.

Doty ruled that once Vick made the Falcons’ 80-man roster, he earned the roster bonuses and the team cannot demand their forfeiture. They could get back only a pro-rated portion of the signing bonus.

The NFL filed an appeal of that decision and it’s currently before the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis. That group includes circuit judge William Duane Benton of Kansas City. A decision is expected in June.

Johnson signed the six-year, $45.05 million deal in late August 2007, about the same time that Vick was being suspended and the Falcons were seeking redress from their quarterback.

Even before Judge Doty ruled against the NFL, league teams were seeking a way to protect themselves in the case of big-money contracts and players that ran into legal problems. The Chiefs created language for Johnson’s contract that outlined situations where the player’s actions would nullify the guaranteed portions of the deal. One of those was a league suspension.

When Johnson was suspended last November by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, that clause in Johnson’s contract lifted over $5 million out of the guaranteed column. Johnson can still receive those monies, but he would have to earn them. Reportedly, the biggest part of that is a guaranteed base salary of $4.55 million for the 2009 season.

In a nutshell, the players association says the clause in Johnson’s contract violates the collective bargaining agreement. They’ve filed a grievance against the Chiefs, and it’s scheduled to be heard on Wednesday along with a grievance against the Falcons involving former Atlanta defensive back Jimmy Williams. He was arrested last summer and the Falcons released him.

So that’s two degrees of separation between L.J. and Vick.

On Monday, ESPN reported that Vick and the Falcons have reached a settlement on the contract, no matter the ruling on the appeal. If the judgment goes against Vick, he’ll pay $7.5 million. If the court rules in Vick’s favor, he’ll play $6.5 million.

Vick is obviously pushing for this settlement as part of his bankruptcy proceedings so he can gain his freedom from the Falcons. This will make him a free agent once he’s done with his legal obligations and his NFL suspension is lifted. Papers filed in the bankruptcy say he believes he can earn $10 million per season on his return to the NFL. He wants to keep the first $750,000 and then use the rest to pay of his creditors, which are many.

He will appear at a bankruptcy hearing this week in Virginia.


Last night, the Broncos released this statement from owner Pat Bowlen:

“Numerous attempts to contact Jay Cutler in the last 10 days, both by Head Coach Josh McDaniels and myself, have been unsuccessful.

“A conversation with his agent earlier today clearly communicated and confirmed to us that Jay no longer has any desire to play for the Denver Broncos.

“We will begin discussions with other teams in an effort to accommodate his request to be traded.”

So now the clock ticks, with a deadline of the NFL Draft for this deal to get worked out. By announcing their intentions, Bowlen has put his team in a difficult position when it comes to getting any kind of value for Cutler. But at this point, getting value is probably a pipe dream.


Veteran writer Don Banks came back from the NFL meetings and wrote a piece about the nine first-time head coaches in the NFL. His take on Chiefs head coach Todd Haley was interesting, so we repeat it here.

Banks wrote:

“The Chiefs’ head coach was the last guy to land a new gig on this year’s coaching carousel, and I still have to catch myself when I start typing the words “Arizona” or “Cardinals” in front of his name. Even after covering this year’s Super Bowl and seeing him all week in Tampa, I didn’t find Haley all that recognizable at the NFL annual meeting. He still has a bit of a look in his eyes that says, “I can’t believe all this has really happened.” But he seems to have a good handle on where he wants to take the Chiefs, and he’s open to any good idea that will help Kansas City improve upon its NFL-worst six wins over the past two years.

“Someone asked Haley how a guy from the Bill Parcells coaching tree could feature the spread offense, as Arizona did for much of last season. Parcells teams are known for being able to bludgeon a team with the running games when they have to, and the Cardinals, especially in the regular season, were never a threat to pound the ball against anyone last year.

“What I came out of it with Parcells is to play the way that gives you the best chance to win,” Haley said. “Don’t be so system-oriented that you’re trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Do what your players do best. These last two years [in Arizona], with no tight end, or a tight end who’s hurt, and a quarterback who clearly liked to see things spread out, it was a natural gravitation. We haven’t really conversed a whole bunch about the style of offense we’ll play (in Kansas City.) Intentionally.”

“That’s because Haley doesn’t know his Chiefs players and all their strengths and weaknesses just yet. But he knows enough to realize the best coaches aren’t the ones who walk in the door forcing their philosophy upon the roster. They’re the ones who learn what their roster can or cannot do, and then adapt and adjust their approach to what gives their players the best chance to win. Haley gets that, and believe it or not, that’s not all that common in the NFL.”


Before the Chiefs can make the third pick, the Detroit Lions have to get the 2009 NFL Draft started with the first selection. As part of the Lions preparation, they had a private workout with Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford on Tuesday morning in Athens, Georgia.

Stafford, a prospect for the Lions’ No. 1 overall draft pick, performed “significantly better” than he did in his pro-day workout March 19, according to an report.

In attendance were all the important names in Detroit, from new GM Martin Mayhew, new head coach Jim Schwartz and new offensive coordinator Scott Linehan and the team’s quarterback coach Jeff Horton.

Stafford worked with Georgia receivers Mohamed Massaquoi, Kenneth Harris, Demiko Goodman and tight end Tripp Chandler. Detroit coaches had him throw an assortment of passes and routes and Stafford missed only three of the nearly 40 passes.

Media was not allowed at the event, and the Lions people did not talk about the workout on Tuesday. But the Ann Arbor News was able to get comments from Stafford on Tuesday night.

“I think I did well,” Stafford said. “At this point I’m not going to say what I feel like my chances (of going No. 1) are. I feel like I’ve done everything I can. I feel like I’ve done well every time we’ve met together. Whether they go with me or with somebody else is not up to me, but I can rest easy at night knowing that I did everything I could.

“They had some inside comebacks almost you could call them,” Stafford said of what the Lions asked him to throw in the workout. “They had some over routes, some things that are just tough to simulate without a defender on them. He’d say, ‘Hey, shoot this in there like it was a Cover 2,’ and it was just kind of tough without a safety maybe coming over the top to understand what angle he wants you to put it on or how much air he wants on it. I just tried to do my best and then complete some balls.”

Stafford also spent 90 minutes diagramming plays during a chalkboard session for members of the Detroit coaching staff and front office.  Schwartz talked last week about what the club hoped to get done in their day with Stafford.

“We can direct it,” Schwartz said. “We can tell him exactly what to do on a play. We can make him throw into the wind. We can say, ‘Hey, these are the throws we want to see.’ When somebody else is scripting it, they can accentuate a positive. I can’t sing, but probably a good producer could put me in a studio and at least hide it a little bit.”


CARDINALS – restricted free agent DT Gabe Watson signed his tender offer.

COLTS – released LB Buster Davis.

EAGLES – restricted free agent OL Nick Cole signed his tender offer.

RAMS – sign TE Billy Bajema (49ers).


Born on April 1, 1984 in Bessemer, Alabama was LB Johnny Baldwin. He played three games with the Chiefs in 2007.

26 Responses to “Wednesday Morning Cup O’Chiefs”

  • April 1, 2009  - MenInRed says:

    I wounder with this Cutler deal going on in Denver if Pioli would or is considering trading Cassel to them or a 3way for some draft picks?

    I dought it now that Cassel has the No.#7 on his back, made me think though all this time with no # assigned to him up tell yesterday.

    The Chiefs don’t need Cutler IMO, no matter what happens.

    “THE RIGHT 53″

  • April 1, 2009  - SG says:

    We’ll have to see how Haley moves this team forward.

    “The Right 53 starts with the Right 22.”

    “From Pioli, we expect more.”

  • April 1, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    Once and for all….the Chiefs are not going after Cutler. Cassel is our man….our #7. At any rate….anything that puts the Broncos in disarray is delightful. I’m enjoying the fireworks tremendously. All in all I’d say things are looking up for our Chiefs in the AFC West.

  • April 1, 2009  - Rip 'em a new one says:

    Seemingly lost in all the “Jay-Gate” business is perhaps/probably a ploy being used by Cutler’s agent to get a fat new contract from the team that acquires his rights. Whatever that $$$ demand represents will be the next shoe to drop in this gathering soap opera.

  • April 1, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    you ever here the phrase, “If you don’t expect to much, you won’t get hurt!! Ithink it’s great the bronco’s have to trade their QB, I hope they don’t sign Garcia though…

  • April 1, 2009  - Scott says:

    Harold, I hope you’re right.

    McDaniels has a woody for Cassel, though…we know that. How much would they give to get him, is the question. Could make us an offer we can’t refuse?

    My gut feeling is that Pioli wouldn’t trade Cassel. Unfortunately, my gut feelings are not always right.

  • April 1, 2009  - Devildog 1976 says:

    IMO many of the roster moves cloaked in such secrecy should show us we really don’t know what is going to happen next. Who is to really say that Cassel is going to be our QB come opening day? Maybe he is a pawn in this game Mr.P is playing. Maybe he is the bait to get what Mr.P wants? I do not think that Cutler is what we want. As it has been said before he has skills, but the maturity he lacks can not be taught. What we are looking for and want is the round peg to fit the round hole, and the square peg to fit the square hole. Is Cutler either one of those pegs??? Do we trade our #3 to Den. for Cutler and their 1st round pick. Then turn around and deal Cutler for more picks?? Dun, dun, duun…. the plot thickens. Was it Col. Mustard in the Library? or Miss Money penny in the Study? We will have to wait and see how the story unfolds.

    It is all about the TEAM……….and……….

    THE RIGHT 53 2009

    I Pioli I trust!

  • April 1, 2009  - Scott says:

    Devildog 1976 says:
    “Do we trade our #3 to Den. for Cutler and their 1st round pick.”

    Are you CRAZY? LMAO! I was thinking maybe they trade us THEIR first round pick along with Cutler for Cassel. And we keep our #3.

    The scary thing is…all the teams that want Cutler, don’t have what Denver needs in order to complete the deal. Denver needs a starting QB. Detroit, Tampa Bay, the Jets, Chicago, San Fran…they’d all like to have Cutler. But, they don’t have a quality QB to trade. That’s what scares me. And knowing how much McDaniels wants his boy Cassel there in Denver.

    I have to disagree with you on the “maturity can’t be taught” thing. I believe it can…with proper coaching. I think part of Cutler’s problem is that Shanahan treated him like a baby…so, he’s still a baby. That’s pretty much what this whole deal is about. Maybe our man Haley could make a MAN out of him.

  • April 1, 2009  - Double A says:

    You gotta give it to Detroit, they’re really doing their homework on Stafford. I love his quote, about feeling good that he’s done all he could - seems like a real gamer.

    Regarding LJ…Good luck Chiefs! LJ should’ve known the contract is what it says it is. Those personal conduct clauses are great, not only for the clubs, but for the citizenry.

  • April 1, 2009  - tm1946 says:

    Scotty to fix that gut feeling, just back away from the table.

    My gut (and there is lots of room there, carrot cake a major volume filler) says LJ get to keep all his money. Not that he deseves it but Carl fixed him up for life.

    Lastly Denver’s discomfort is greatly enjoyed but who cares about Cutler anyway. Do not want him in KC for any reason.

  • April 1, 2009  - ArrowheadHawk says:

    I “broke the news” to a friend of mine last night, who is a Donkos fans and didn’t know they had given up on Cutler and were going to trade him. It was VERY amusing to listen to him piss and moan about Denver loosing “the best QB in the NFL”. I was enjoying his dismay so much that I didn’t even argue with him about Cry Baby Cutler and how over rated he is…. ahhhhh, life is good!!

  • April 1, 2009  - Harold C. says:

    I’m just happy that things are so messed up in Denver. As bad as the Chiefs were last year…I think we have a real chance to take over the west soon. For the record…..I think Cutler sounds like a big baby….but if I could tell the future and I saw that the only way the Chiefs were going to win a Superbowl was with Cutler as QB…..I’d want him here. However….I can’t tell the future and I don’t think Cutler is our answer at all. I’m looking forward to Cassel. Our new #7.

  • April 1, 2009  - Scott says:

    I agree, Harold. I think Cassel is our guy…and I’m excited about our future. I think he can become a really good QB in this league, and I want it to be right here in KC. The biggest thing that “sells” him, for me…is that Pioli and McDaniels, two guys who have worked closely with him for several years, hold him in such high regard. These guys know a thing or two about football, and the fact that they both want him on their respective teams says a lot right there.

  • April 1, 2009  - chiefwurm says:

    Here is an interesting read about L.J. open to staying in K.C. It also reveals that he was one of the 60+ players that showed up to voluntary workouts.

  • April 1, 2009  - Scott says:

    Of course LJ is “open to staying” now. He (and his agent) know that no other team will sign him for anywhere NEAR the money he would make playing here this year. It’s all about the $$$.

  • April 1, 2009  - 10:59 am says:

    This Cutler situation is similar to Jared Allen’s. The fans commenting on the Denver Post are acting like we were last year when we said Get rid of Jared! We need team players! I think we would all take Jared Allen back right now. Also similar is how the players got their feelings hurt and demanded a trade. Denver fans will be sorry this time next year.

  • April 1, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    I would like to see the chiefs do some wheeling and grab denvers first round pick, we give them Cassel, we take Cutler then trade him to some team that has a defensive lineman or O-lineman and a draft pick we want.

  • April 1, 2009  - RedandGoldRice says:

    “we give them Cassel, we take Cutler then trade him to some team that has a defensive lineman or O-lineman and a draft pick we want.”

    Where are we going to come up with a QB to compete next year? Thigpen is ok, but he hasn’t proven anything yet. With KC going to a hybrid 3-4 4-3 D, we probably won’t improve greatly on the defensive side of the ball either. Where are we going to win games at if we make that move?

  • April 1, 2009  - jim lloyd says:

    Bring Cutler ,and get a bushel basket of rotten apples and set them in the locker room -then tell every one in four months they will dry out and smell - A - OK !
    FRESH apples do smell good !

  • April 1, 2009  - Jorge says:

    I just don’t see Pioli trading Cassel for Cutler. They already have their hands full with the drama created by the “3 Amigos.” Why would they bring in another dramatic storyline by picking up Cutler??? Doesn’t make sense. Cassel stays.

    I believe that the courts will use the Vick situation as a template.

    Because of the language in L.J’s contract: 75% chance of Larry losing.

    25% the court has the chiefs pro-rate Larry’s bonuses and salary.

    Either way consider Larry gone! No way he stays, you think he hates the Chiefs now? Just wait until this is over. DAMN!!! What a waste of talent! BURN BRONCOS ! BURN !

  • April 1, 2009  - byzkit says:

    You know I see something like this happening. Cutler straight up for Romo. Jerry Jones does this in order to get Shanahan to become his new head coach.

  • April 1, 2009  - Mark says:

    LJ doesn’t “hate” the Chiefs. His problems were with the prior incompetants in charge. Now that they are gone, he seems back on board, and hopefully he’s our produvtive starting RB for the next 2 years. Now if only Waters grows up.

  • April 1, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    I for one don’t believe that Cassel has shown me that he can win with the Chiefs offense, Where as, Cassel was given the keys to the Rolls Royce last year. Thigpen has shown that he could have won with a little more defense at the end of games last year. Like I said before 21tds-11ints to 18tds-12ints, not much different, but the whole picture, NE to KC thats a difference…

  • April 1, 2009  - MenInRed says:

    True “AH78″, lets all keep in mind we have Pioli the football Master Mind and he is the one that said:

    “The Right 53″

  • April 1, 2009  - aggrivated a-hole says:

    i agree with devil dog hes as right as he is corny if us getting cassel just 2 use as a pawn in order to get what scotty really wants then its freakn briliant.

  • April 2, 2009  - deployed chiefs fan says:

    i think larry will get traded to eagles for late 2nd early 3rd on draft day. where he will be closer to family to keep eye on him. as far as cassel is concerned i hope he does well but i dont want him to be making more money thean a lot of other qb’s based off of 1 year with a super offense(thats why there hasn’t been talk of contract extension). i’m curious as to why it took so long to trade cassel. i really believe no team wanted to pay that much money for a 1 year wonder(meaning very few teams had firepower moss and welker to throw to). last and not least i want to thank everyone that posts here. i finally found a place where people care as much about chiefs as i do( minus rin = anonymous

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