Another Tough Afternoon For Chiefs in 17-10 Loss

From Paul Brown Stadium, Cincinnati

The wind blew cold and hard off the Ohio River, as slate gray skies with puffy dark clouds hung above the playing field.

Snow started falling just as the Bengals were wrapping up their 10th victory of the season, beating the Chiefs 17-10 and locking up first place in the AFC North and a trip to the playoffs.

The snow could have been a bit of Mother Nature’s confetti to celebrate the team’s first division crown and post-season ticket in four years.

And it added another notch under the “L” column for the 2009 Chiefs. That’s 12 losses, against just three victories. There’s one more week to go and when the Bengals and getting ready to host a game in the playoffs, the Chiefs will be headed off for vacation, and contemplation of a game where they had a chance to beat a post-season team.

“Overall, I thought the team played their heads off,” said head coach Todd Haley. “There are no moral victories here, but again, I thought it was important for us to come out here and compete against a good team.”

Compete yes, win no, as that hurdle remains a tough one for them to overcome.

As always, there was plenty to talk about. Here’s what we have:

28 Responses to “Another Tough Afternoon For Chiefs in 17-10 Loss”

  • December 28, 2009  - unknown says:

    glad to see charles playing well…this team is coming along…I have faith in a few of these players, and am glad pioli has his scouts in place for this upcoming draft. Flowers and Charles are great football players…we just need more great players, and a heck of a lot more solid players like brandon carr etc.

    Cassel will be fine, I just was sad to see how long it took to remove LJ and start Jamaal…he to me, has always had the IT factor…vision, patience, speed, agility, quickness, juke moves, catches, blocks, fights for every yard.

  • December 28, 2009  - Red Robin says:

    he will never take us past 7&9…mark my words..but HOPE is all ways good..a lot of players will be gone and where back to scratch once again

  • December 28, 2009  - el cid says:

    Since we are talking draft before the end of the season. Pioli has his scouts in place??? I thought he only fired one of carl’s scouts and kept the rest?? Who gets credit for Jackson and Magee?? Could be wrong, someone enlighten me.

  • December 28, 2009  - Anonymous says:

    Cassel is the greatest player 2 ever grace a Chiefs jersey! Did u see his stats yesterday..2 questionable picks that werent his fault against a great football team with young up incoming cornerbacks…U people are so blinded by your hate of Cassel that u cant see his potential….if u surround him with all-pro players at every position then he will excel and re-write every record in the book. If u dont surround him with the talent then he will be just a top 5 QB of all-time and not the greatest!!!!! (Cassel,Cassel he’s our man…if he cant do it no1 can).

  • December 28, 2009  - unknown says:

    Pioli used the old scouts for the jackson magee draft, he still had the old chief personnel people…he FIRED THEM AFTER THE DRAFT…and replaced them with HIS PEOPLE.

    so this is the first real true draft under pioli in terms of him focusing on KC for an entire season with his people

    few understand, the late start hurt pioli AND haley…

  • December 28, 2009  - unknown says:

    not sure why people hate on cassel, no QB could produce in our offense

    and its time your people realize CHARLES is a top 5 NFL RB…yep..I said it. and you know, haley has come close to saying it for the past 2 weeks.

    Scouts in place, we have two starting DB’s in carr/flowers, Hali, Jackson, Dorsey, Charles, Cassel to lead this team…more will come.

  • December 28, 2009  - Jim Lloyd + says:

    Matt is without a doubt going to be a very good QB.
    I sit and listen to coments about droped passes and him not hitting his Rec. and that is only because it takes a LOT of time working with them , this is not his fault this year .
    Agin—Bill Walsh -Joe Montana & Jerry Rice spent days & days & hours upon hours working on drops -routes -timing –together, none of this happens in a couple pratices in a week .
    The one thing to do in getting there quicker is go to those films . NFL Films has them … And spend a lot of time in the off season prefecting all that .

  • December 28, 2009  - el cid says:

    unknown, you forgot Albert, Waters (still got 1-3 years left), 2 decent TEs (out of the 4 on the roster), Castille or Cox (same guy but different names), Punter, and Kicker. Only do not agree with Jackson, looks like a guy, nothing special. Of course, we can blame carl for the lousy 09 draft except for Succop, can’t we???

  • December 28, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Wow… It’s so funny that more than half the players that were mentioned as starters are all of Herm’s players!! I still can’t believe that with the scouts that Herm had he was able to have 5 starters that have looked pretty damn good this year and last. It’s ashame that the players Pioli picked this year haven’t had the impact that Herm’s first year guys did and Cassel really is a sucker. An interception is an interception is an interception, in other words they’re all his. Also, the same O-line and better WR’s now that Chambers is here and he still can’t get his completion percentage up. Terrible!! His numbers are worse then Thigpen’s were last year, yet the supporters hang on like jock straps.

  • December 28, 2009  - el cid says:

    Do not forget we want to blame CARL PETERSON for only signing Goff off the free agency. After all Pioli did not know anything about the NFL or the KC Chiefs before becoming GM for the Chiefs. That is correct, isn’t it?? The scouts were CARL’s and the busts of the 09 draft, heaven’s knows were not Pioli’s fault, right??

  • December 28, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Yea that was a great pickup by Pioli, Succop has been a consistent contributer to the team all season long, Im sure glad they know there kickers!!!

  • December 28, 2009  - tm1946 says:

    That is right, 4X Exec of year walked into KC with a rookie HC, fired DC, and late ( always a good excuse) and apparently lost his mind and memory. He had never been involved in the management side of the NFL before. No wonder he had to use carl’s scouts, having no opinions himself. And as I said before “We don’t need no stinkin’ free agents”.

  • December 28, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    A few responses…

    -Yes, Pioli signed Goff…and he played like crap for us. But, he had been a pretty decent player over the years for the Chargers. You take a chance on FA’s. There are no guarantees. Some work out, and some don’t. No reason to demand Pioli’s head on a stick because Goff sucked.

    -No, Peterson was not responsible for last years draft. His people were still here…but Pioli made the picks. So just remember, if in the next year or two some of these guys start “breaking out”…they were picked by Pioli, and eat your “bust” crow accordingly.

    -Tyson Jackson has not been particularly impressive this year. True. And just how many years has it taken for Tamba Hali to start making an “impact”?

    -Matt Cassel can be a good QB. Yes, he can. Notice I said “good”…not “great” or “Hall of Fame”. He’ll never be Brady or Manning. But, he’s not as bad as some seem to make him out to be. He wasn’t brought here to be the saviour of this team…only some people act like they were expecting him to be, and are now pissed when they realize he isn’t. He was brought here to be a piece of the puzzle…nothing more. As far as his “middle of the road” contract for a QB (it is…look it up), what do YOU care what money the man makes? Are you signing his paycheck?

    Yes, Cassel should be playing much better…Absolutely!!! Can you name me very many Chiefs players that should NOT be? Win as a team…lose as a team. And we have obviously been doing the latter.

    Lots of blame to go around, I guess. Pioli sucks…fire him. Haley sucks…fire him, too. Draft this guy, he’s the “one” that’s gonna’ turn this team around. Do this…don’t do that. Everybody seems to have their own simple answer.

    I’m going to stick behind Pioli and Haley until I see firm evidence that they should not be where they are. I’m just wondering if all the fans bitching about the job they’re doing right now…will jump back on the “bandwagon” if what they’re doing starts working? I’d be willing to bet most will-”Yep…supported them all along and was behind them from the beginning. Never had a doubt, he he he.”

  • December 28, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    I wont say that I supported them, just the team, right now they suck!! But they are still my team and I still watch them and follow them on sunday…

    Hali actually made an impact in his first two seasons when Jared Allen was here to help him out at the other end position, once he left he fell off, your right mad chief, he just now is starting to become a better pass rusher.

    As for Cassel, I didn’t hope that he would come here, for the reason that he sucks. It was blatantly obvious that his passing numbers were skewed last year playing for New England, a team that had the best two receivers in the league in Yards After Catch, and dont say he was accurate, because the types of routes the Patriots run do not require the QB to hit anyone in stride, normally the receiver does a curl or take a few steps off the line and the pass should be there. They should have kept thigpen to start and show what he could do, but I guess a real OC would have had to be here for that to work out.

  • December 28, 2009  - cdcd says:

    Just a couple of thoughts…anyone notice that Denver spent a fortune on free agents and likely will miss the playoffs. They got the gift win from Cincinnati or they would be 7-8 right now. If and its a big if… Jackson improves next year and the Chiefs add 2-4 impact players with the draft and FA they could compete. Only problem is I am not sold on Haley. The players just don’t respond to him. Who can you say is better this year than last? Hali? How many times has he over run a play?

  • December 28, 2009  - Rick says:

    I am glad Cassell is our qb. i have been a ticket holder for along time and have had to watch…Deberg..Krieg..Montana…Bono….Grbac…Gannon…Thigpen…blackledge…Montana was worth it!!! but he was the only one. need i go on. Cassell is someone who can develope into a good qb. I suppose we should lay all the blame on him for dbowe lowering his hands when he couldn’t catch the ball. No effort on dbowe at all on that pass. Cassell has done this with a revolving door at wide receiver. No Tony G to bail him out like the other qb’s had!!! Want to talk about FA busts like Goff… Chester McGloughlin. The stud LB from Steelers can’t even remember his name he was so good. It happens is my point. 21 years spending my money will turn into 22 because I think this team is on the right path. Herm would have been coach this year it would have stopped at 20!!!!

  • December 28, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    arrowhead1978 says:

    “As for Cassel…he sucks. It was blatantly obvious that his passing numbers were skewed last year playing for New England”

    “…the types of routes the Patriots run do not require the QB to hit anyone in stride, normally the receiver does a curl or take a few steps off the line and the pass should be there.”

    Maybe that’s the type of Offense Pioli wants to build here. That might be his main reason for bringing Cassel here. We just need better receivers. And play calling…I’ll concede that. But I think the play calling has improved overall as the season wore on. Unfortunately, the execution of the plays called generally did not.

    And I would say that Thigpen’s passing numbers were “skewed” by Tony G…as much as Cassel’s numbers were by Moss and Welker.

  • December 28, 2009  - el cid says:

    For me:

    Cassel is ok with me. A manager of the game not a star to carry the team, and that is ok. Will do, if surrounded by enough support.

    Strange “type of Offense Pioli wants to build”? Apparently he chose to ignor building it in 09. Forget Goff, how about his draft pick, MU’s Brown, oh, that is right, carl’s scouts picked him. Or all the WRs from the street, heck Mad Chief, you do not like Wade. Then there are the 4 TEs, who used to be on the roster. Let’s not talk about the unending supply of players from NE, MIA, or PHOX. How about all those backup RBs after LJ got fired? Just what is Pioli’s type of offense?

    This offseason will tell the tale about Hunt, Pioli, and Haley. After that we will get a better feel of just what the Chiefs are and when the dynasty will begin.

  • December 28, 2009  - arrowhead1978 says:

    Mad Chief, true but if the head guys were smart they would have kept Tony here to help skew the numbers for Cassel and Bowe for that matter, I mean his first two seasons in the league weren’t bad and he had more TD’s.

    The main argument when Cassel was getting in here from the supporters was his rating, his yards thrown, and only 11 ints to 21 tds behind a better O-line then Thiggy ever had and with better receivers. Thiggy had the best TE in the NFL there is a big difference there.

    I hope they dont trade Charles for a 4th rounder this offseason and I hope they get some value out of the draft picks they got for Tony…

  • December 29, 2009  - el cid says:

    Never thought of it before, trade Charles. It makes sense in a warped way. He is at his peak in trade value today and the team needs are more than one guy. Wonder what the Chiefs could get for him?

  • December 29, 2009  - Rick says:

    yeah right trade charles someone we can build a whole offense around!!!! I think we did that with Jared Allen and set the defense back big time. We don’t need to trade anyone just add some defensive offensive lineman…a good wide receiver..give Cassell a whole offseason to work with Bowe and Chambers…We need a playmaker on defense a person who will disrupt plays.

  • December 29, 2009  - Jim Lloyd + says:

    The trouble with the draft is that you NEVER know what you are going to get .
    With Charles , You do KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!
    This dumping your best talent , gives you a first place loss in every single game .
    Right now KC needs to KEEP all the player’s they have to let them ” work together ” to mold a team .
    Haven’t done this YET !!!!!!!!!!!
    Charlie Wiess , YES —–

  • December 29, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    -I don’t see Charles being traded. Not at all.

    -Tony was traded because a) He publicly wanted out of KC. b)He had stated that he would likely only play one more season (if he stayed)…so he would have to be replaced anyway. And c) Atlanta made a good offer for him.

    Yes, I would like to have seen Tony stay. He could have helped us win a few games this year. But, the deal worked out for both sides. He got his wish…and the Chiefs got another 2nd round pick.

    -And no, el cid, I don’t particularly like Wade. He’s done nothing to help this team. He completely sucks as a punt returner…consistantly calls for a fair catch inside the 10 (and sometimes 5) yard line…and has had his share of drops. Too many poor decisions for someone with his experience.

    -And what if Brown turns out to be a good lineman someday? He has been injured almost the whole year, you know. It’s not like he’s been playing and totally sucks. I wouldn’t put his name on an NFL Career Tombstone just yet.

  • December 29, 2009  - el cid says:

    Only comment on Brown, ESPN braintrust said he was not NFL calibre. Before injury, he did nothing. Of course, the old stand by, most rookies fail so why not him. Lastly he did suck before he got hurt. RIP

  • December 29, 2009  - Mad Chief says:

    Well hey…if the ESPN braintrust said so, then it’s a fact. I stand corrected.

  • December 29, 2009  - Rick says:

    December 27, 2009 – el cid says:
    Rick you miss it. I do not care about 09 Chiefs. I do not care about who the players are or are not.

    For someone who doesn’t care the 09 players are you sure do have alot of opinions about them. And whoever said trade Charles (and someone correct me if I am wrong) We got Brandon Albert and Jammal Charles for the Allen trade. That means all that is left from the Allen trade is Albert!!! Man some people need to think a little bit. Elcid chooses to be negative I on the other hand choose to be positive. Surround yourselves with negative people negative things happen surround yourself with positive people positive things happen.

  • December 29, 2009  - RickyP says:

    Don’t let him get to ya mad chief…pretty sure el cid has had a bit too much of el “acid”!

  • December 29, 2009  - Mad Chief says:


    El cid doesn’t get to me. Even though we disagree on most everything, he’s cool by me. He and I both want the same thing…for our team to be good again. Besides, I don’t have to agree with an opinion to respect it.

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