Chiefs Slice Four
The Chiefs on Friday released four players: long snapper Thomas Gafford, wide receiver C.J. Jones, DT T.J. Jackson and LB Darrell Robertson.
Gafford snapped in nine games last year, while Jackson appeared in four games. Jones and Robertson had never stepped on the field wearing a Chiefs uniform.
The team’s roster stands at 81.
Of the remaining 81 players still on the roster, 45 of them are Herm’s Chiefs from 2008.
As of today 18 players that were Herm’s 2008 were un-retained through either trade, release or free agency, and the majority of them didn’t play much for Edwards anyway for various reasons, including several signed during the season (stopgaps/injury replacements part & parcel roster depth/no more.)
36 players have come under the ’search’ & ‘check’ regime: 8 draft choices & the rest are free agent signees of one type or another - actually ’s & p’ # was 38 they had signed but they’ve now released 2 of their own; shame on them and their “22 anys” philosophy.
If we give ’s’ & ‘c’ the benefit of the doubt and say all 8 draft choices make the team and as well the 28 free agents for 36 total - which of course they won’t - 17 of Herm’s players would remain.
More likely be the case that at worst of the 45 Edwards Chiefs still on the roster as of today, 28 of them will stay based on Rin’s guesstimate which equates to 53% of Herm’s Chiefs remaining - more than half the team…and MORE than ’search’ & ‘check’ noose nee self-fulfilling famous last words “any 22″ could win more than 2 games faux pas.
Herm’s 28 at minimum say “you were wrong” ‘check’.
When one takes into consideration that a totally new regime comes in & shoots off it’s collective mouth but still finds itself retaining a majority of the former Head Coach’ team, the former comes out smelling like a rose. As such Herm is growing larger by the day, while ’search & check’ smaller by the player cut(s).
The problem Rin had/has with ‘check’ is that he made a very stupid statement re: the ‘any 22′… a statement that evidenced a rather massive ego - something Rin well understands - difference being Rin’s be legitimate, the other guy’s ill (blunder befitting a novice.)
Me thinks ‘check’ has been brought down a notch or 10 now via Brian Waters & Vrabel et al who’ve definitely taught the ‘rookie’ coach a thing or 10 about protocol and how you treat pros. It’s a 2-way street ‘check’ not your way or the highway. Deal with it & also enjoy those 28 or more Herms- men Chiefs in 2009!
If “S&C” win with Herm’s guys what does that say? That Herm sucked and had no clue how to coach!
New coaching staff + same guys = wins
Old coaching staff + same guys = worst season ever
What does this tell you?
Hey Bob,
Did you hear that Ryan Succop was signed to a $1.2 million deal???
Scott L, scott l scot l said:
“If “S&C” win with Herm’s guys what does that say?”
- that so too would have Edwards - and Herm would likely have won even more games because he is the better & more experienced coach…
“That Herm sucked and had no clue how to coach!”
- that Herm had a team full of rookies in 2008 that he coached into veterans who are now ready to win…if - more so that - ’search’ & ‘check’ do not/will not take advantage of said will be entirely on them; if they do it will be no less than any Chiefs fan would expect.
Herm Edwards would have the 2009 Chiefs in the playoffs - ’search’ & ‘check’ will be lucky to keep their jobs post 2009…
“New coaching staff + same guys = wins”
- new staff with a season’s worth of experience should equal a playoff spot…but it won’t.
Let us not forget that Herm took KC to playoffs in his very first season - the ONLY Head Coach Texans/Chiefs history to do so. This aft Vermeil who could not/did not take KC to the playoffs in his last season.
Do you think ‘check’ will take KC to the playoffs in his first season? Lemme think . . . uh - NOPE!
heh heh heh
“Old coaching staff + same guys = worst season ever”
- a team full of rookies and QB/other injuries ad nauseam should have equaled zero wins; that Herm managed to snag two is a tribute to his coaching genius. That those same players who lost 6 to 8 games they might have won now have a full seasons worth of experience will be to ‘check’s advantage - but he’ll find a way to blow it because he is a fraud…as in “any 22″ which he’s already reneged on.
“What does this tell you”
- that you’re not very bright…but them you & I both already knew that - and you just reaffirmed said again…
NEXT!
You have to believe the Chiefs are eyeing replacements for training camp. Cannon fodder saves others, so it does not make sense to go into camp light players.
Chiefs needed the room to sign their drafted players.
Doggie Poo/Rufus,
it doesnt make sense for the chiefs to get rid of all of herm’s players….many of those players are young and on rookie contracts.
The team will be better this yr merely by the fact that Herm and CP are gone (if nothing else the improved conditioning shows that).
findthedr says
“it doesnt make sense for the chiefs to get rid of all of herm’s players….many of those players are young and on rookie contracts.”
- “I can take any 22 players off the street & win more than 2 games” - ‘check’s’ attributed hogwash:
a senseless, egotistic self-serving pile of caca.
The team will be better this yr merely by the fact that Herm and CP are gone”
- they will be worse merely by virtue the fact they have two rookies in charge…’search’ and ‘check’ - this my opine having as much or more validity than yours.
“(if nothing else the improved conditioning shows that).”
- Nostrildamus strikes again…”that” is nothing more than your wishful thinking…keep the faith, lose the c**k sureness - you will only look more foolish in the end than now by prophesising said.
I said kill yourself Rintard!
NO!
Just because Herm has only won with Bill Parcells’ teams and Dick Vermeil’s team means nothing. Under Herm we were on track to go from 9 wins, to 4 wins, to 2 wins to….ooooops.
I’m Good Enough,
I’m Smart Enough,
and Doggone It,
People Like Me!:
P)
Rin, I too supported Herman Edwards, however, to sit there blind and claim he was successful in bringing in talent, is just a waste of time.
New players HAD TO COME with Herm because half Vermeil’s team wouldve died on the field from old age a few years into the herm era.
Let it go, and Vrabel sat out as he said in his FIRST REMARK, due to being a big part of the players union, someone HAS to use those rights….
No one “schooled” Haley, where were you last super bowl rin? Because Todd was on the sidelines, of a team led by their OFFENSE…wonder who ran that offense.
Herm took Vermeil’s team- the one that Weepy Dick couldn’t get to the playoffs - and Herm took them to the playoffs - in year one.
And Herm remains the ONLY Coach in Chiefs history to take his team to the playoffs in his 1st year.
Parcells can’t say that, Vermeil can’t, ‘check’ won’t be able to either…
You were saying Ed Foo Young? Me say to you: you evidence too much MSG & refined sugar, not enough starch your stuffed shirt.
heh heh heh
alex k says
“Rin”
- yes, what is it now?
“I too supported Herman Edwards”
- with all these suitors when did he have time what with coaching the Chiefs?
“however”
- oh, “however”…the old “but” variation on Pee Wee Herman’s “everbody’s got a big but” routine…
“to sit there blind”
- or to stand here ‘faith’ same, ’search’ & ‘check’…
“and claim he was successful in bringing in talent, is just a waste of time.”
- 45 Herm Chiefs remain to date that ‘check’ has not washed away in his “any 22″ fit of lunacy nee pique; speaks volumes Herm’s acquisition talent.
“New players HAD TO COME with Herm because half Vermeil’s team wouldve died on the field from old age a few years into the herm era.”
- which is the reason why Herm did so … he was the ONLY coach didst convince Hunt Jr. to do the right thing rebuild. Then Jr. noticed his heart tugging at his pur$e$tring$ and made a knee-jerk decision…which will come back to haunt him.
“Let it go”
- Hi Yo Silver, away!
A fiery farce with the speed of slight of hand, a cloud of bluster & a hearty “Hi Yo Silver!” - The Lone Believer, ‘check’.
With his faithful Chiefs companion ’search’, the balding & pseudo cultured quiet man of the east, led the fight for subservience and dictatorship in the midwest 2009. Return with us now to those not so thrilling days these - The Lone Believer ‘check’ gets mated again!
“and Vrabel sat out as he said in his FIRST REMARK, due to being a big part of the players union, someone HAS to use those rights….”
- and you believe everything you read or hear…
“No one “schooled” Haley, where were you last super bowl rin? Because Todd was on the sidelines, of a team led by their OFFENSE…wonder who ran that offense.”
- the LOSING sideline ‘check’s…he got taken out behind the woodshed & whupped by the Steelers D - just like he’s gonna get it colored again shades of Kaycee red ‘09…
You know Rin you remind me of Bush & his V.P. After sucking at the job for years you want to rewrite history . I would hope that after 2 losing seasons Herm & you would have been able to draft some players . You know well that just because 53% remain today that if S&K had their choice maybe NOT.Lets see what the team look like after 2yrs . Do You need proof well just look of whats left of Herms team in N. Y. The one true statement in your rant was about your ego .
Anonymous says
“You know Rin”
- intimately…
“you remind me of Bush & his V.P.”
- what a relief; Rin thought you were going to lump me in with the latter day Skelton, Willie Lump Lump Obuma…
“After sucking at the job for years you want to rewrite history.”
- Rin cannot speak to such inhalation; He leaves you to your area of expertise…
“I would hope that”
- rest assured thou Hoover upright…
“after 2 losing seasons Herm & you would have been able to draft some players.”
- guys be named Dorsey, Albert, Flowers, Charles, Cottam, Morgan, Carr, Richardson don’t count huh? Free agent finds such as Thigpen, Barth, Battle & Cox too should ignore? For how long now have you refused to admit the Earth is not flat?
“You know well that just because 53% remain today that if S&K had their choice maybe NOT.”
- they’ve as much choice as any coach/GM does… the same as Herm & Carl had - ’search’ & ‘check’ have the football world at their fingertips - so do something dynamic duo - or sit there in your own flowery egotism and spout “any 22″ piffle… they have chose to do the latter to date. And to date they are convincing no one of any genius.
“Lets see what the team look like after 2yrs.”
- that is ‘precisely’ what Jr. should’ve said to Herm aft he just started the Jr. approved rebuild 2008, year one. Alas, no . . . empty seats were a callin’ Jr.$ name.
Herm could have done the veteran shuffle 2008 - he went a different way “with” Jr,’s approval. If KC had won 12 games in 2008 or won 0, Rin would have been ok with said either way, based on the goal at hand. Of course, winning many games while in a building the foundation phase would be nigh on impossible - and it was.
That Herm had the Chiefs in position to win 6 - 8 more games and they did not speaks to the players failings, not coaching. Was it Herm’s fault in NE that a player was caught from behind, or that 1st down goal to go the players stunk it up? A loss.
Was Herm the CB who fell down in the endzone vs the NYJ and allowed his man to score the winning score?
Was it Herm vs TB who didn’t stay with his man and so let him slip behind him for the TD that cliched the win for the Buccaneers?
I can go game for game and give you recaps galore about how players f****d up- you can coach em but you can’t do it for em.
Pull your head out…
“Do You need proof well just look of whats left of Herms team in N. Y.”
- Herm left NY in 2005…look at any team/coaches formers some half a decade later & tell me what’s left. That the average career is some 3 1/2 years reaffirms even more succinctly the ‘non sequitur’ aspect that be your plea.
“The one true statement in your rant was about your ego.”
- that you recognize said warms the cockles of mine heart…continue to enjoy said!
Rin, you give PURE opinion, taken behind the woodshed? And honestly, I saw a few spelling errors and mistakes in your long long long post.But we’re talking football, and your comments about Haley are off.
As for the players left on the roster from herm, they were apart of last year and a 2 win season. Period.
Oh and did you forget that this is year 1 of the roster purge? Pollard, Page, Flowers, Carr, Albert, Bowe will all stick, and that is great, but Herm did not have these guys in shape, he did not win games, and quite frankly, he had more misses than hits in the draft. And yes, that is common, however he had FAR more misses.
You need help, much like sledgehammer, from the kansascitystar forums, how goes it.
To Rin your post has merit thus round 1 to the ego. Yet I recall in 89 that a new check did the same thing with his arrival in KC . Its way to soon to know but fatigue may have played a part in Herms teams failure in the 4th qtr. All well be answered this year. Then we or you can - Say I Told You So .
rin when you say herm’s players STILL here. which 1’s are you referring to? minus the 1’s from vermeil’s staff. also would vermeil’s final season 10-6 have gotten into playoff’s or is herm’s 9-7 better.
anon says
“Rin”
- yes, what is it now?
“you give PURE opinion”
- don’t we all…
“taken behind the woodshed?”
- who had the ball at the end & failed to score? The ARZ offense - ‘check’ haley. And who had the ball down at the goaline & threw an INT that was returned all the way the other for a TD? The ARZ offense - ‘check’ haley. He was taken behind the woodshed and spanked like a step-child…
“And honestly, I saw a few spelling errors and mistakes in your long long long post.”
- but you couldn’t pull yourselve away at any, right? Rin understands…you understand this: when Rin spells something tis always correct, regardless whether it be as you, or any other scribe wouldst imitate; ditto for gremlins of spellcheck this blog, etc. By the way “anon” - what happened to the rest of yours - “ymous”?
“But we’re talking football”
- no, you were talking about spelling…don’t run away now that Rin caught you with your pants down around your ankles…again.
“and your comments about Haley are off.”
- and your mother dresses you funny…my comments as yours/others be debatable - but ne’er false.
“As for the players left on the roster from herm, they were apart of last year and a 2 win season. Period.”
- and ‘check’ is embracing them fully aft finding he can’t locate “22 anys” as easily he thought… the big doofus. When Jimmy Johnson’s Cowboys won only 1 game in his first season, they should have fired him & also gutted that entire roster right? Time to come up for air ‘ymous’…
“Oh and did you forget that this is year 1 of the roster purge? Pollard, Page, Flowers, Carr, Albert, Bowe will all stick, and that is great”
- it’s wonderful, isn’t it…on that we agree: Herm Edwards sure knew how to spot, select and coach talent…
“but Herm did not have these guys in shape”
- when one suffers from Dunlap’s disease - & it sounds as if you do - is it the doctor’s fault? We are not our brother’s keeper…
“he did not win games”
- coaches coach, players win and lose games…the aforementioned Jimmy Johnson as well Chuck Noll & others too had worse records than Edwards year 1 a rebuild & were not replaced; again, Jr. choked and panicked…the other coaches owners did not.
“and quite frankly, he had more misses than hits in the draft. And yes, that is common, however he had FAR more misses.”
- in last years draft Herm made 12 selections - all of them made the team. What a failure. 2009, ‘check’ made 8 selections. What would you wager that all of them make the team? You’ll lose if you say 8 - and for a 2 win team, ‘that’ would speak volumes for the drafting prowess as in a lack thereof ’search’ & ‘check’…
“You need help”
- and you’re just the feller to help Rin out - clean the windshield & check the oil, Goober…
“much like sledgehammer”
- oh, so as a dipstick nee gas jockey you are as a bull in a China shop…in that case just adjust your Mayberry Beanie..
“from the kansascitystar forums, how goes it.”
- from my vantage point here at the bobgretz blog, I couldn’t say…
Anonymous says
“Rin”
- yes, what is it now other brother Daryl of anon?
“your post has merit thus round 1 to the ego.”
- mm good, mm mm good, Rin Tin Tin His posts are - mm mm goooooooooood!
“Yet I recall in 89 that a new check did the same thing with his arrival in KC.”
-not sure what the “same thing is” you refer to, but that new guy in ‘89…if this ‘new’ check is as successful as Marty, is that good enough? Rin offers a resounding ‘NO’. Also ran is what we’ve had for the last some 40 years now…Superbowl or bust.
“Its way to soon to know but fatigue may have played a part in Herms teams failure in the 4th qtr.”
- what happened last year will not be determined by this year; anything is possible causation ‘08 but my money would go toward the belief too many rookies (inexperience) - and - too little talent roster wide was cause downfall KC 2008. Mistakes lost the majority of games and not talent- which though odd sounding a tribute to Herm’s coaching - what he could do with a seasoned team not long in the tooth or fuzzy cheeked we’ll never know.
But he made the playoffs both KC/NY & did better post season than the ballyhooed Marty S for what that be worth. ‘If’ anything from ‘last’ year is proven during ‘this’, it will be how much ‘check’ benfits from a now seasoned group young players Herm had to suffer through the growing pains with last season.
“All well be answered this year.”
- or - all hell will be lo(o)se(d) via ‘check’; personally Rin believes that (at minimum) “any 22″ head coaches the NFL -any- could out-coach ‘check’ in their sleep…
“Then we or you can - Say I Told You So.”
- Rin’s gonna be here ALL season long… I’ll let you know how I prefer those ‘mea culpas’ yours be served to me…
deployed kc fan said
“Rin”
- yes, what is it now loyed?
“when you say herm’s players STILL here. which 1’s are you referring to? minus the 1’s from vermeil’s staff.”
- I get your drift; the answer be all that were here or arrived under his watch, yes; dependent on how far fetched nee ridiculous one wants to get, every coach in the NFL futilely pursues a pattern nee solution to ‘pi’ if the terms be a team totally of the most recent coaches making. That’s not feasible & is also not what ‘check’ mused about.
One could thus say that Lombardi didn’t win in GB with his players, but those inherited like Starr, Nitschke, Hornung, etc. Yet Vince brought in many players that were not there - some HOF types too via trades/drafts/free agency etc. such as Willie Davis, Willie Wood, Herb Adderly; they went on to form the nucleus of the best teams in NFL history.
The gist of Rin’s slam of ‘check’ is that he said “any 22″ as if his mystic and deft touch coaching could do the rest/bring victory by the bushelful. That he now finds himself top-heavy with Edwards players is poetic justice. Let us watch & see how many remain on the team in 2009 and 2010/beyond, though ‘check’ will not likely be here to witness said himself.
“also would vermeil’s final season 10-6 have gotten into playoff’s or is herm’s 9-7 better.”
- Vermeil didn’t make the playoffs but Herm did - who was better? If making the playoffs is better - it is - Herm was better.
In ‘69 Hank Stram/Chiefs only made it to playoffs because of a 1 year “fluke” of sorts format. That they eventually ran the table & won the Superbowl speaks for itself - yet the best team in 1969 (as in ‘68 & ‘67) was the OAK Raiders - who never did win a Superbowl thence.
So the ‘what if’ game is beside the point… Herm made the playoffs, Dick did not; as Parcells said “you are what you are.”
Herm = a playoff team ‘06, Vermeil = also ran ‘05.
rin!
get a freakn life my god not every post has to be a freakn book, and by the way douchbag its probably gonna take more than 5 months or whatever to get rid of all the guys that failed with herm. anyway its not like you get a new boss and he fires everybody the other guy hired just because he wants his own guys, its gonna take time to get the players the new guys want, thats like sayin ok i guess ill go get the next joe montana whenever i want cause thats what i want. you gotta find the right players to fill the wholes, your not always gonna get the joe montanas so you gotta keep the guys who are good enough for the time being and tamba hali, turk, and tank, are good enough for the time being, so chill out even god didnt creat the world in a day, it took him a week to create the world, i know he musta got lazzy at the end tho, he allowed ppl like you to have the ability to type.
head cheif says
” rin!”
- yes, what is it now mr. excitement?
“get a freakn life”
- I’ll take yours as a sacrificial example to the rest…
“my god”
- no cutting in - the adulation line mine forms to the right…
“not every post has to be a freakn book”
- connect the dots more your speed, freak…yes?
“and by the way douchbag”
- oh, ‘by way’ of…do you inhale said, imbibe or smoke it pipe?
“its probably gonna take more than 5 months or whatever to get rid of all the guys that failed with herm.”
- ’search’ got here some 5 1/2 months ago - maybe he’s just ’s l o w’ . . . as you; or “whatever”.
“anyway its not like you get a new boss and he fires everybody the other guy hired just because he wants his own guys”
- haven’t gotten around much outside Kornfield Kounty, have you…getting a new boss industry that is ‘precisely’ what happens, several.
Radio is one example Rin knows about first hand: from both the ‘new boss’ angle (Himself) as well the ‘out with the old’ purge (He also.)
“its gonna take time to get the players the new guys want”
- “any 22″ was the battle cry - “UNCLE” the new reality-show buzz word ’search’ & ‘check’…
“thats like sayin ok i guess ill go get the next joe montana whenever i want cause thats what i want”
- your limited scope is evident again, Lavoris… NE & Belichick got Randy Moss because they wanted him…DEN & Dan Reeves got Elway because they too wanted him … Al Davis for YEARS got exactly who he wanted, exactly when he wanted them; those are football elite both selectors & selectees. It is possible nee can be done if you’ve the expertise.
KC? Oh right - snap - my bad! ’search’ & ‘check’ got us…Cassel. Rin will not again forget about that diamond (in the rough) ours; copious polish needed aisle #7.
“you gotta find the right players to fill the wholes”
- all the wholes or just some of them, maybe any 22?
“your not always gonna get the joe montanas so you gotta keep the guys who are good enough for the time being and tamba hali, turk, and tank, are good enough for the time being”
- such knowledge…insight; Rin had no idea your intimate understanding the process. When did you serve your apprenticeship with ’search’?
“so chill”
- yup, Rin is ’so’ all that- the coolest blogger around, no question…
“out even god didnt creat the world in a day”
- no, was busy buying vowels from Pat & Vanna…
“it took him a week to create the world”
- only because He was busy planning those 40 days & nights of rain as an object lesson for Noah…
“i know he musta got lazzy at the end tho”
- yes, Lassie finally got his tv show much later in the 1950’s after breaking into film 40’s…
“he allowed ppl like you to have the ability to type.”
- and people like ‘yew’ he ‘alout’ not ‘tew’…
Do you think if Belichick, or Davis or Parcells or any of the ‘proven’ had that #3 draft choice in the entire draft as ’search’ did, would have gotten stuck with it?
If a Jimmy Johnson were running the show in KC, the haul he would have likely engendered by way that #3 bargaining chip would have boggled the mind.
Alas, we got to see what a rank amateur could do…or not do, our case.
To Rin if we are to sever you” mea culpus” this year. Iam guessing that you owe for Herms the man & Hunt reaffirms it quote. It seems that all of us are not Perfect. The line about 89 had to do with C.P. that fired the coach for his choice at coach. That seems standard fair for the GM as you should know . Look if all was well at Chiefs Drive ,there wouldn’t have been change” period” . In life change is Good embrace it. 20yrs in one job is long enough even with a ego we can become stale . Thats the reason for expiration date on all most everything.
It’s 2:00 PM and Herm’s still the Fired Coach Man.
Heh Heh Heh!
Anonymous says
“Rin”
- yes, what is it now?
“if we are to sever you” mea culpus” this year.”
- not ‘if’… ‘when’ thou oaf.
“Iam guessing that you owe for Herms the man & Hunt reaffirms it quote.”
- Jr. merely chose to cut off his nose to spite his own face; as such, Rin has never been wrong.
He thought He was once but was mistaken…
“It seems that all of us are not Perfect.”
- that is true - only some: the few, the proud, the ma’Rin’es…
“The line about 89 had to do with C.P. that fired the coach for his choice at coach. That seems standard fair for the GM as you should know.”
- Clint Murchison did not fire Tom Landry though he no NO winning seasons his first 6 YEARS…not until year 7 did he top .500 on the year; he was worth the wait, you’d agree.
Chuck Noll had losing seasons every until his 4th year…ditto for Norm Van Brocklin till year four.
All of those guys be in the NFL Hall o Fame as is Coach John Madden who couldn’t take his teams any to a Superbowl until he made it year 8. Examples are those and there are many more…Jr. panicked.
“Look if all was well at Chiefs Drive ,there wouldn’t have been change” period” .”
- things haven’t been “well” here for some 40 years, or at least 35 since Stram was fired - which was another knee-jerk Hunt move, Senior. Rin senses a trend nee family tradition…
“In life change is Good embrace it.”
- Cioran: “what I knew at 60 I knew as well at 20. 40 years of a long, superfluous, labor of verification.”
He also said: “I’m just an accident - why take it (life) so seriously? What to do? Where to go? Do nothing & go nowhere, easy enough.”
“20yrs in one job is long enough even with a ego we can become stale.”
- Connie Mack: 50 seasons, retired age 87 - Joe Paterno: nigh on 44 seasons, turns 83 December - Mick Jagger: 47 years, turns 66 this July… oh, and Methusaleh” had one job - faithful servant - for 969 years…he didn’t die so much as like a pair of Levi’s faded from memory…
“Thats the reason for expiration date on all most everything.”
- ‘most’ is not ‘all’, nor does ‘quantity’ equate to ‘quality’…
A Barry Bonds has more home runs than Babe Ruth, but could not carry The Babe’s shoes, compared.
Bonds played longer, had far more at bats, and in fact had only 619 hrs to Ruth’s 714 when each had a similar length of tenure vis a vis at bats.
The San Francisco Cheat needed an extra 837 ab’s beyond what Ruth had to merely tie him at 714 hrs - this without any consideration of Bonds and his medicinal assists, etc.
Some (like Bonds) merely tread water/keep running past a finish line to a race twas won (by a Ruth) many years and at bats afore; in this case tenure argument yours would have merit but in many other cases as I enumerated, age as length of tenure is but a state of mind…
Reference yet another fake Rin post re: Herm 2:00 PM - cue another Elton John paraphrase:
“Green eyes…fake Rin’s got (huge) green eyes.”
heh heh heh
I’ll take up Rin’s cause here,
Head cheif…it’s spelled CHIEF. C-H-I-E-F.
yes. jimmy johnson had a tough first year, he also won super bowls, herm didnt win a playoff game in KC, give it up…2-14 cannot be defended, especially the 1-6 in close games.
Cue yet another ‘fake’ Rin post above ^, Elton John paraphrase in 3, 2, 1
“Green eyes…fake Rin’s got, green eyes.”
Fake Rin, Jimmy Johnson got the time…Herm did not.
Same too Tom Landry, Chuck Noll - why, even Marty ‘Treadin Water’ Schottenheimer, went Superbowless his entire 10 years in KC, as well there at CLEV, WASH, SD…yet he’s revered some. Hank Stram went postseason-less nee playoff-less until his fourth years in KC…we should have fired him - right?
Fake Rin, you sure are mangy- let the big dog eat - the one, the only, the original: Rin Tin Tin!
heh heh heh
“yes. jimmy johnson had a tough first year”
- ya don’t say? 1-15 ain’t ‘too” bad…huh.
“he also won super bowls”
- in his first year? Nope. Second? Nope. Third? Nope.
“herm didnt win a playoff game in KC”
- but he did win 2 playoff games in NY…in fact, he took the Jets to the playoffs - his very first year there - just as he did in KC.
And in BOTH cases, Groh in NY 7 Vermeil KC, he followed guys who could not/did not take their teams to the playoffs the year before Herm arrived.
Jimmy Johnson didn’t do as well nee so well as Herm, either.
For the record ‘fake’ Rin, Jimmy Johnson didn’t reach a Superbowl until his 4th season in DALL.
heh heh heh
josh
lol my bad is that better