Desperately Seeking Victory … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs
Nothing is forgotten quicker than the final pre-season game every year.
This year that’s true for 31 of the 32 teams in the NFL.
The exception is the Kansas City Chiefs. Right now, the Chiefs must approach any opportunity on the field as an important afternoon or evening. In the big picture of things, the outcome of Thursday night’s Chiefs-Rams game at the Ed Dome in St. Louis doesn’t amount to anything of tangible value. Kickoff is 7 p.m.
But in the little picture, this franchise needs to taste victory because the Chiefs have become the NFL’s biggest loser over the last three years. It’s a painful football reality show where nobody is celebrating in the end.
It all began on a January day in 2007 when the Chiefs fell to the Indianapolis Colts 23-8 in a post-season game at the old RCA Dome.
That’s 0-1.
In the 2007 pre-season, the Chiefs were 0-4.
That’s 0-5.
The ‘07 regular season started 4-3, but then the Chiefs lost nine straight to end the season 4-12.
That’s 4-17.
The 2008 pre-season was a 2-2 affair.
That’s 6-19.
The ‘08 regular season was 2-14.
That’s 8-33.
And now the 2009 pre-season record is 0-3.
That’s a record of 8-36, or a winning percentage of .182. Over the 2007-08-09 seasons, no team has won fewer games, or lost more games than the Chiefs. Not the Lions who went 0-16 last year in the regular season. Not their opponent tonight in the Rams, who are 5-27 in the last two regular seasons, but so far 6-5 in the pre-season.
Winning was once a habit at Arrowhead Stadium; the franchise won 105 regular and post-season games in the ’90s. Right now, this franchise is 180 degrees away from that time.
“It’s not fun, it’s not nice,’ said Todd Haley, and he’s only 0-3. “We’re going to do everything here at the Kansas City Chiefs that we can to win championships. That’s the ultimate goal and right now we’re trying to lay the foundation for where we want to go to.”
Right now, championships are a pipe dream. The Chiefs needs to simply win. They need to establish a different habit. Last year they were 1-8 in games where they had a chance to win the game in the fourth quarter.
That habit has continued this year. They’ve had a chance to beat Houston, Minnesota and Seattle in the fourth quarter. They got nothing done; they are 0-3.
“We need to learn how to win and right now we’re three pre-season games without showing the ability to win or finish or do the things we had to do to have a chance,” Haley said. “That’s where we are at.”
The players agree. “This is all about winning at this point,” said Damion McIntosh. “I think we just need to go out and do what we can and just think about winning. As a team I think we’ve forgotten how to win.”
The numbers certainly indicate that. A victory over the Rams will only stop the bleeding for a week, but right now anything is welcome with this franchise. St. Louis is 2-1 in the pre-season under new coach Steve Spagnuolo as the franchise has undergone many of the same changes that went down with the Chiefs: new leadership, new personnel department, new head coach. The only thing the Rams didn’t do was go out and get a quarterback.
But then the quarterback the Chiefs got won’t be on the field for the game, as Matt Cassel is out with a sprained MCL in his left knee. Brodie Croyle gets the start and the opportunity to be the starter there for the regular season opener against Baltimore is at stake. Croyle is coming back from his knee injury last year and has shown flashes of his ability to lead the team and throw the ball. Tyler Thigpen will play as well, but he’s hurting with cracked ribs that he and the team won’t talk about. How much the injury affected his performance last Saturday night against Seattle is unkown.
Haley knows his franchise needs a victory; it also needs to have as healthy a team as possible for next weekend’s trip to Baltimore.
SIGNINGS, INJURIES & MOVEMENT AROUND THE LEAGUE
- BILLS – released LB Pat Thomas.
- BUCCANEERS – signed OL Marcus Johnson; released C Sean Mahan.
- COLTS – activated K Adam Vinatieri from the PUP list.
- COWBOYS – claimied DE Curtis Johnson on waivers.
- JETS – released P Glenn Pakulak; signed TE Ben Hartsock.
- LIONS – claimed CB Cletis Gordon on waivers (Texans); released CB Keith Smith and WR Glenn Holt.
- PANTHERS – named Danny Morrison team president. Morrison was previously the athletic director at Wofford College and TCU.
- SEAHAWKS – placed C Corey Withrow on the injured-reserve list (hip).
FROM THE PAGES OF CHIEFS HISTORY
On September 3, 1961, the Texans lost a pre-season game to the Chargers 31-10 at Balboa Stadium in San Diego. Chargers RB Paul Lowe returned the game’s first punt 72 yards for a TD to give San Diego a lead it never relinquished. WR Chris Burford had the Texans only TD, on an 11-yard pass from QB Cotton Davidson. Burford had nine catches for 84 yards. Davidson threw five interceptions in the game.
On September 3, 1964, the Chiefs won a pre-season game at Houston 27-17. WR Charley Warner facing the roster reduction ax returned four punts for 153 yards, including an 80-yard return. Warner returned a kickoff for 97 yards and a touchdown. Warner a 4.5 guy in the 40-yard dash tied with LB Bobby Bell for fastest player on the team. He ended up surviving the cut.
On September 3, 1976, the St. Louis Cardinals beat the Chiefs 31-14 in a pre-season game at Busch Stadium. QB Mike Livingston threw two touchdown passes, 34 yards to TE Billy Masters and 45 yards to WR Larry Brunson. Livingston finished the game 10 of 14 for 160 yards. St. Louis QB Jim Hart was 16 of 24 for 303 yards and two TDs.
On September 3, 1978, the Chiefs beat the Bengals 24-23 in their season opener at Riverfront Stadium.24-23, It was Marv Levy’s first regular season game as head coach. The Chiefs unveiled their new winged-T offense and it was immediately successful running the football, as they had 267 rushing yards on 69 carries, just three carries short of the NFL record for one game. Nine different players ran the ball for the Chiefs, led by Marc Bailey, who had 106 yards on 26 carries. Tony Reed, Ted McKnight and Arnold Morgado all had TD runs. K Jan Stenerud had a 19-yard FG. Chiefs led 24-9 going into the fourth quarter and held on as the Bengals scored twice in the final period.
On September 3, 1995, the Chiefs beat the Seahawks 34-10 in their season opener at the Kingdome. In what would become a 13-3 season, the Chiefs started off with excellent performances from QB Steve Bono, RB Greg Hill, WR Willie Davis and rookie returner Tamarick Vanover. Bono threw for 278 yards and three TDs. Hill ran for 109 yards on 15 carries. Davis caught six passes for 156 yards and 2 TDs and Vanover opened the second half with a 99-yard kickoff return for a touchdown. CB James Hasty had an interception and LB Derrick Thomas had a sack.
On September 3, 2000, the Chiefs lost to the Indianapolis Colts 27-14 in the season opener at Arrowhead Stadium with 78,357 fans in the seats. This game was tied 14-14 going into the fourth quarter, but the Colts scored on an 27-yard interception return by S Jeff Burris and a pair of FGs from Mike Vanderjagt. QB Elvis Grbac threw a pair of TD passes, for 11 yards to FB Tony Richardson and 21 yards to WR Derrick Alexander. But the Chiefs were unable to get a running game going, and RB Edgerrin James ran for 124 yards on 28 carries with a pair of TD runs. Colts WR Marvin Harrison had nine catches for 115 yards. LB Donnie Edwards had an interception of Peyton Manning, and DE Eric Hicks had a sack.
SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY …
Born on September 3, 1953 in Wichita Falls, Texas was WR Lawrence Williams. He joined the Chiefs in 1976 out of Texas Tech and played two seasons with the Chiefs (1976-77). Williams appeared in 18 games, with five starts. He caught eight passes for 103 yards.
Born on September 3, 1969 in Little Rock, Arkansas was LB/DT Keith Traylor. He joined the Chiefs in 1995 after sitting out the previous season. Traylor spent two seasons with the Chiefs (1995-96), appearing in 31 games, with one start. He had 2.5 sacks and a recovered fumble. He went on to play four years with Denver, three years in Chicago, one season with New England and then three years in Miami.
Born on September 3, 1975 in Hayward, California was G Jason Andersen. He joined the Chiefs during the 2002 season and appeared in three games. He’s previously played in 18 games with New England.
It’s been a long time huh? Something like this is why I’m glad we don’t know the future. How agonising would it have been if we knew what was to come from that post season game to today? At least we had hope….and we have hope today. GO CHIEFS!
What I am waiting to see is this … supposedly Todd Haley has said that he could take 22 guys off the street and win two football games. Okay … but can he take 75 – 80 NFL players and win 1 preseason game? We’ll all know the answer to that tonight.
Anyone else looking forward to “The Saint Louis Brodie Croyle Massacre” this evening? Yes, hopefully we will see the (less than) fine career of one Brodie Croyle come to (a blazing car crash of) an end tonite.
Oh Brittle One, may your shoulder be as strong as it was kickoff weekend in New England last year and your knees as powerful to withstand injury as they were against the Titans. Then we can finally put this nonsense to rest. A strong arm and great accuracy don’t equal a hill of beans (a la what rolls around in Rin’s empty head)when your body won’t hold up and your heart is a cowardly place where no bravery can be found.
Cassel, Thigpen, Gutierrez!
I’m a douchebag.
I as a fan would like to see them win but I don’t want the coaching staff to go after this game without truly looking at all the players they need to see work and maybe earn the spot. Take for instance one of my favorites D.J. needs to earn his spot yes he might be on the team but he needs to go out and earn the position and there are other men in Chiefs uniforms that need to do the same as well as guys that could loose there job all together. I understand we need to win but if we do I just hope they understand they haven’t won nothing and Baltimore will kick there teeth in if they are not ready and the schedule doesn’t get easier.
1.At Baltimore
2.Oakland
3.At Phily
4.Giants
5.Cowgirls
6.At Washington
7.Chargers
Woooo Bye Week
8.At Jacksonville
9.At Oakland
10. Steelers
11.At Chargers
12.Donkeys
13.Bills
14.Browns
15.At Cincy
16.At Donkeys
Are you kiddin me by the time Haley wakes up and smells the coffee this team could be 2-10 easily. If he gets 6 wins this season it will be quite the accomplishment. We just might be pickin in the top 5 next year also if this team doesn’t flat out play hard and that has to do with the players taken responsibilty for themselves not blamin the coach and just going out get it done.
You know it isn’t always just about losing; the Chiefs haven’t even been fun to watch in preseason for god sakes, other than the 1st Team defense.
This year will certainly be a challenge for the team and phans. However, from the decay of the Chiefs of the past will there be new growth. The ship is turning, but it will take time. Patience (for at least 1 year) is a must.
5-6 wins this year will be an accomplishment. A split with both the Raiders and Broncs, one surprise win in the NFC East (probably Wash) and 2 of 3 from Bills, Browns, Bengals…there is 5 right there.
Go Chiefs!
Maybe it’s just me…but I don’t see a win tonight going too far as a confidence builder. Pre-season game #4? Easily the least important of the unimportant. Over 20 guys on each side won’t even be on their teams in a few days. And those are the guys that will get significant playing time tonight…guys that won’t make it, and guys that barely will. And we sure don’t need any more injuries to any of our starters.
Now…going to Baltimore and beating the Ravens? THAT would give the team and fans some confidence. Can you even IMAGINE the impact on our team for the season if we could pull THAT off? Winning a game that absolutely NOBODY gives us a chance to win? Beating a good team, when it counts…THAT’S when you’ll see guys with their heads held high, chests puffed out, believing in themselves. Beating the Rams tonight? Meh…
A win would be nice but come on we need a win when the regular season starts. Except for the raiders, broncos. and the bengals, every team can kick our rear easily. The Chiefs’ roster is just two weak. Still I am hoping for 5 wins this year and look out for us in 2010. If Haley only wins 2 in 09, I am not sure he will not be judged by his own standards and we start over again. But right now I want to see a good will executed game, win or lose.
I dont even write like that, your not doing a good job of emulating my writing fraudulent writer… Lame
will agree with whomever posted as arrowhead1978 that they are indeed a douchebag.
Just a reminder that per the terms of the challenge that Rin laid out….
https://bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/texans-go-unbeaten-in-pre-season.html
No sarcasm today until game time.
I’d rather have the Chiefs record than the Rams or Lions over the last 3 seasons.
I absolutely agree with Scott – preseason games are good to watch to see what the talent looks like; I don’t understand how anyone gets caught up in preseason records. Preseason W-L is pretty meaningless for many well-documented reasons, and from a W-L standpoint there is no more meaningless game than a preseason game 4. I won’t get much comfort from a Chiefs win tonight.
No, I’m improving upon your horrible syntax and poor penmanship. You may thank me in private later, for I am making YOU look better.
Heh Heh Heh
I’m a douchebag.
Bob’s replacement for “Bottom of the Birdcage” could be “Bottom of Rin’s Bedpan”
Has anyone watched that TD drive against MN? I think the answer we are looking for is right there. It was a combination of runs, and sweeps and bootleg passing. Very little drop-back passes. With an uptempo offense that keeps the DLine running and chasing, AND keeps the QB off of the turf, we can move the ball. Cassel did that against MN. I think KC was headed this way against Seattle, but the injury to Cassel threw us off. Thigpen was good at that last year but hasn’t found the target consistently this year. Croyle is pretty accurate and can run this style as well. My point is – regardless of who the QB is (and for the sake of 60 million dollars I hope it will be Cassel)we can put some points on the board if we can lock into this and get some timing going. Maybe then, when the DL gets tired, the drop back passes will have more effectiveness. Just a thought. I am a Chiefs fan. How about you?
really your just proving how gay you really are…
Yes, W-L records in the preseason are meaningless. But this team needs to see what it feels like to win. Taste just a brief drop of the sweet nectar that is victory. That stuff is addictive, you know. It might just give them that little extra bit of drive against Baltimore.
People say that this team lacks the talent to be a contender. They’re probably right. That doesn’t mean they can’t win some games. Maybe even more than a few. 9 games last year that we had within reach in the 4th quarter, with what I feel is a less talented team than this year, all they’re missing is the mental toughness to finish them out. That starts with one win, even if it might be in a preseason game.
I’m just curious…
Why do so many seem to make such a big deal about how much money Cassel is getting paid? It’s not like we’re having salary cap issues. Are YOU guys (that complain, or constantly bring it up) signing his paycheck? Then, what’s the big deal?
Seriously.
Scott I’ll agree with you on that.
If tomorrow all the things were gone,
I’d worked for all my life.
And I had to start again,
with just my children and my wife.
I’d thank my lucky stars,
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA.
From the lakes of Minnesota,
to the hills of Tennessee.
Across the plains of Texas,
From sea to shining sea.
From Detroit down to Houston,
and New York to L.A.
Well there’s pride in every American heart,
and its time we stand and say.
That I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA.
And I’m proud to be and American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA.
I have always like the ability to argue with others who are Chiefs fans. That said, I really dislike all the garbage that goes with it. To bad this site and other do not charge to post. Then the cretons who just block conversations with drivel would drop off, I am sure living with mom, working at McDs, doesnot make for lots of free money. The Star has duplicate writers who actually print bring back herm and what a wonderful job he did. Guys there is a point of uselessness that is just a waste. Sorry but I need my football fix and hope the Chiefs will turn things around.
It’s totally meaningless and irrelevant if the Chiefs win or lose tonight, or in any exhibition game that doesn’t count. The ONLY thing that counts is staying healthy. If it meant anything, we could have put our starters back in all 3 games in the 4th quarter and won all or most of them against other team’s scrubs. But it’s meaningless, as tonight is. Most of the players playing the bulk of the game for both sides will be cut on Saturday. Bob, I love ya, but this headline is ridiculous.
By the way – looks like firing OC’s before the last preseason game is all the rage:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/03/bucs-fire-jagodzinski/
“Why do so many seem to make such a big deal about how much money Cassel is getting paid?”
QB paid $10-million per season.
RB paid $4-5 million per season
Collective starting offensive line salary (all 5 guys): $5-million – and they play that way.
Health insurance on the QB and RB: priceless!!!
Roger that. We have a problem Houston.
If past behavior of Kansas City teams means anything then we’ll beat the crap out of Baltimore and the Giants…and lose to both Oakland and Denver.
Grammar-nazi moment:
Lose = I’m about to lose my mind
Loose = I have a screw loose
just sayin’
SG,
LMAO. I see your point.
But, that’s not about Cassel’s salary. That’s about our O-line sucking. There’s money to have it all.
This is make it or break it for some tonight .
That didn’t sound right——–
I still think Todd is going to make a team out all this . The test is all these teams at the front half . If-If they could win 4 out of the first 7 then they will have come worst to maybe something .
High hopes here !
“That’s about our O-line sucking.”
Exactly! Hence the “big stink” (pun very much intended)…
Uhh ohh – I did an emoticon by accident – there’s a chance of a nameless wonder possibly accusing me of being Rin again.
Jim, you’re an optimist, no doubt. I figure that they can maybe split the dividional matchups and catch another team asleep at the wheel. That would put them at 4-12, which is just about all you can expect from this cobbled together group of journeymen.
Scott,
I’m with ya beating the Ravens while very doubtful would be a huge turn in mentality if somehow we can get that “on any given Sunday” blessing and beat the Ravens it would give the team a boost and swagger. That is what this team needs the most to beat a physical team. As with this schedule they will need a presence about them. The Chiefs need to uptain a toughness. I remember a Ravens Monday Night game during the Vermeil era where Sheilds made it a mission to kick the crap out of Ray Lewis and he did all night. Lewis was seen on the sidelines bloody and frustrated and the Chiefs line played with a swagger and toughness the rest of the season.
Yes everyone I know this line is a FAR FAR cry from that line but if they could get that attitude it would help.
Yeah, SG…I almost skipped your post. Be more careful.
The line problems will be addressed. Not as fast as yesterday…like we would all like it to be. But, it will be fixed. If not until next year…then that’s just the way it is. At least our QB will have a year under his belt by then. If he doesn’t get killed this year, of course.
I still think that if we could settle on a group, and put them in there…that we’d be at least a LITTLE better. All this shuffling different guys in and out and to different sides and positions? I understand that concept to a point. But, the time has come to make the decisions and go with it.
Man, things are pretty dire when someone using the handle “Rose Coloured Glasses” predicts 4-12!
Still, far less gay than you.
Heh Heh Heh
I’m a douchebag.
Hey Chiefs fans…
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https://www.mywavv.com/Scripts/index.htm
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“If he doesn’t get killed this year, of course.”
Wouldn’t you like to be Lloyd’s of London for this year quoting rates for Cassel, Croyle, and Thigpen?
“Fake” arrowhead1978,
Or should we just go ahead and call you by your other name you post by here, perhaps? Don’t think we know?
You are SO funny. I’m sure everyone else is laughing their ass off, just like me…at evey witty thing you say. “Gay”, “douchbag”…such grown up words. Does your Mommy know you say those words? Now run along, young lad…before you get caught playing with her computer. Us men would like to talk some football.
“That would put them at 4-12…”
Wait a minute – rose colored glasses – not an optimist? a contradiction in terms! Even I – the realist – am calling a 5-11 or 6-10 campaign since Herm’s not at the helm.
“…then we’ll beat the crap out of Baltimore and the Giants…and lose to both Oakland and Denver.”
Herm Davis is not the coach of this team this season. And even he won against the Raiders at least once last season.
For me, I prefer to look at my team with “rose colored glasses”. At least SOME of the time. Isn’t that part of being a fan?
Sure beats those sh*t covered glasses some seem to look through all the time. I mean, what’s the point in that?
“We need to learn how to win and right now we’re three preseason games without showing the ability to win or finish or do the things we had to do to have a chance” – Todd Haley
Rin hath no need say it again aft this…preseason means EVERYTHING, this from the lips the Coach.
So Haley should tell the team it’s okay to lose a pre-season game? Even though it is, and everyone knows it…I don’t think you’ll EVER hear a coach tell his team that. Not a good one, anyway.
Besides…the quote says “without showing the ABILITY to win or finish or do the things we had to do to have a chance”.
I guess if we would have looked like total sh*t, but won a game by a point or two…that would be MUCH more important than showing the ABILITY to win a game, but coming up a little short. Right?
I try to look through my rose covered glasses but the Chiefs play keeps throwing sh*t on them.
I do believe Pioli/Haley are headed in the right direction and yes it will most likely be another year before the O-Line is retooled. I just hope they look to bring other linemen behind whatever group they endup with as how we ended up with this group that does have a couple meaning two players. I really like Albert and Waters can still run with the best and has seemed to buy into or at least play well with Haley. I liked hearing he was conducting extended workouts with the O-Line during camp thats promising and showing he is TRYING to lead this group and get some comraderie.
Scotty,
Thou doth protest too much.
Here lies:
The Career, One Brodie Croyle
April 2006 – August 2009
“I’ve Got My Spine, I Got Orange Crushed”
- Michael Stipe, REM
“Never achieved what he set out to accomplish. A failure at life and football. He will not be missed.”
I’m a douchebag.
Haley should try to motivate this team to win and shouldn’t put out that winning this game is meaningless. Your right Scott the performance, techniques, attitudes, execution and not making mistakes or dumb penalties is the goal of this and all preseason games. So that the coaching staff can make the right decision on who will be the right players for this team to give them the best chance of winning in the regular season and hopefully someday the playoffs.
They kill the messenger for they dare not question the football papacy – Rin reports, words the coach indict…
“DESPERATELY” – Bob G
BPinKC………….WOW! Thanks. Cool link.
Glad you like it It looks shady, but it’s a gold mine.
Let me throw out a thought I have had for two years: If I was a head coach and I was attempting to build some consistency with off/def units that were “new” to each other I would do the following:
1st Preseason Game: Play all my “assumed” starters the entire first half. (After that game replace any starter who is bettered by another)
2nd Preseason Game: Play all my “assumed” starters the entire first half and into the third quarter.
3rd Preseason Game: Play all my “assumed” starters into the second quarter, then replace all starters with second unit and let then play until the end of third quarter.
4th Preseason Game: Play all second and third unit players entire game.
Rationale: Builds continuity early, produces best chance of Preseason wins (momentum), allows more “healing” time for starters before opener and still gives enough evaluation period of new guys (especially in third PS game). What do you think?
Hank,
Not a bad idea. The problem from the Chiefs standpoint is that the new regime probably only had about 2-3 guys on the “assumed” starter list, even after game 2. They’ve been intent on evaluating a lot of players in different combinations, and that’s hurt them in the preseason.
Hank,
The other problem with this is as you know we have already made some cuts going into the 4th and to make those cuts we need to know they just won’t fit. Also you need to see how some of the 2nd and 3rd unit guys play with the starting units as there is a rotation we don’t throw 11 new players in for a period of time during the game. I understand the point though as it would close the gap of learning how each other react and execute during situations to build that trust that each individual will do there job.
Speaking of cuts…
I wonder if tonights game will be the deciding factor on whether we keep Thigpen or Gutierrez as the 3rd QB. Provided Brodie doesn’t get injured, that is. One of these guys is not going to be a Chief much longer.
U know it’s sad when u start 2 believe a guy who hasnt started a game since his high school days, is now your “Franchise” qb! Dont be fooled my fellow brethern, just b/c our qb play was mediocre at best since Trent got hurt doesnt mean we should accept another “Rob Johnson” impersonator in a guy like Cassell. Go Chiefs in 2009 and Beyond!!
“One of these guys is not going to be a Chief much longer.”
Correct – 1 guy goes somewhere else.
Ummm…hate to break the news to you AlextheGREAT, but Cassel started for the Patriots last year. Led them to an 11-5 record. I’d prefer Peyton Manning, personally. But, he wasn’t available. Neither was Brady, Eli, Brees, or Big Ben. We could have tried to get Cutler, I suppose. He seems like a muture young man. Or maybe an aging vet at the end of their career…like Kurt Warner, maybe?
But, Pioli made the deal for Cassel. So I decided to see what he’s got…and give him a chance. Best QB on our roster right now. Until that changes, I’ll hope he plays well…and doesn’t get killed behind our weak O-line.
Killed like Croyle will be tonite!
I’m a douchebag.
Hey Scott, I’ll give him a chance 2 but for only 1yr! The same amount of time u guys gave Thiggy….(he he)
Did anyone see that the Bucs fired THEIR O-Coordinator today? See? We’re not the only ones. haha.
JCH
Oh yeah,I’m tired of guys saying Cassell led the patriots 2 an 11-5 record thats completely fictional. I think people need 2 start giving credit where its due and thats 2 the front office,scouting and great head coach in New England! What we havent had in 20 plus years!
By the way, I’m attempting to be an even bigger douchebag than arrowhead1978. Do you think I’m accomplishing my goal?
Imposter im flattered thx!
Alexthe”GREAT”,
Sounds like you already have Cassel buried, to me. How’s that giving him a chance? But, fair enough. I think we’ll see before the year is over whether or not he’s the real deal. And he may not be. Too soon to tell. WAY too soon.
And I do give credit to New England’s front office. Where is it that you think Pioli came from? Or are you one of those guys that thinks he did nothing there but fetch Bill’s coffee?
As far as the “completely fictional” 11-5 record that Cassel led the Patriots to? I’ll take that over the REALITY of the 1 win Thigpen led the Chiefs to, any day.
Scott, I’d really like to bump pee pees with you. We always agree on what every the topic may be. Could you be the Soul Mate I’ve been missing?
Muahhh!
JCH
Imposter, like Alex, I’m flattered. My wife would probably not be too excited about me persuing a relationship with Scott…nor would Scott for that matter. Hell, I’m not too keen on the idea myself. Thanks for trying to set us up…you’re no Chuck Woolery though.
“I’ll be back in two and two!”
JCH
Oh, and for the record, there have been at least a few occasions where Scott and I didn’t agree…the difference being, unlike you (Rin), imposter, Scott and I can disagree and not resort to barbs and silly childish “douchebag” talk.
JCH
Yeah, Josh is cool and all…but, you’ll have to deal me out on that one.
alex the great
you are killing the name
Cassel is not rob johnson…goodness
cant wait till he proves you all wrong.
i remember a few years ago when the bears and the colts were in the superbowl that the announcers said that both teams combined for a 1-8 record in the preseason…so yeah. it doesn’t mean too much at all
Well I see this blog went south. Anyway Cassel might not be a future probowl QB or a top 5 but he does have the potential. I don’t care what team it was on to go 11-5 with any team in this league especially for someone who hasn’t started a game since high school is pretty good..
Even through rose colored glasses, 4-12 is looking pretty good considering what most folks say about this team. I could go completely off my rocker and say they’re on their way to the playoffs this year, but I haven’t lost touch with all reality just yet.
The teams gonna be a mess this year, and maybe slightly less of a mess next year. The ‘Peterson 5-year plan(+15)’ to put together a team just good enough to keep fans in the seats finally ran its course and this is what’s left.
I do have high hopes that a new owner and a new regime can eventually put things right.
Manishevitz! Rin’s been away since earlier this morning, comes back to the (sans me) boring blog, and finds others STILL accusing He that is me of impostering others.
Nay, tis not I. Further, ain’t seen nuthin’ nyet!
Less than 2 1/2 hours now until Rin returns in brutal(ly) living scribe color!
heh heh heh
daddy-o
Hey that’s a good picture of Dog on the top of this page!!!!!
No, that’s not Rin – tis Tony Gonzalez hoisting the football up overhead – be a natural mistake to confuse a possible Hall of Famer he, for one already enshrined – He that is me, Rin Tin Tin.
As for that other pic just below, nee bag-headed one, that be an picture of contentment – typical Chiefs fan/taxpayer their usual repose taking it in the (inaudible) again, to the tune of 0-3… heh heh heh!
More concessions, easier access = more money for me $ay$ Jr.!
These comments are a trainwreck
This team will go 9 and 7 or 10 and 6. The first half of the schedule is brutal. But I do think we can sqeeze out wins against Giants or Cowboys. The Raiders for sure and the Chargers at home. So before the bye if we can go 3 and 4 the schedule is weak enough second half of the season where we can win 6 to 7 more games against browns, bengals, raiders, and broncos twice etc. Jus got to get through the first half of the season.
This team will go 0 and 16 or 1 and 15. The first half of the schedule is brutal. I don’t think we can squeeze out wins against anyone. The Raiders will also destroy us, and the Chargers the same.
So before the bye if we can go 0 and 4 the schedule is still more than we can handle the second half of the season where we can win 0 to 1 game against browns, bengals, raiders, or broncos twice etc. Just got to get through the first half of the season so we can stumble through the second half with no expectations at all.
Scott just for the record, the sweeps and bootlegs are probably mostly out the window. We got rid of Gailey who proved that he could contour offensive strategy to the players. Haley knows what he wants in offensive style and I feel that is why Gailey got the boot. I just hope he knows what he is doing. Halley with his down your throat style of coaching has my patience for a few years, I just hope they don’t can him and bring in a new system before we see if he can really build something.
And…Charles gets the night off to a fine start by fumblin’/bumblin’ the kickoff…sweet.
Here we go 0-4 here we go!
And it’s a Charles-inspired 3 and out, Jamaal starring on two!
Ay caramaba, the end comes early tonight…STL ball now.
s offense compared to Chan’s – “NO CHANGE – NO CHANGE AT ALL!” Stinketh!
Time out, the 0-3 boys will try it again in a moment…
And Herm’s Boy Brodie Croyle with a 20 yard strike for a Kansas City 1ST DOWN!
Aww…missed it by thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat MUCH. Time to punt again :roll; fans – the new offense goes PU once more.
Right. ‘check’
STL ball now, as the Rams prepare to take the ball.
“We gonna pass it, we gonna run it, we gonna take this ball right down the field & score.” – former QB Don Meredith
Two first downs in a row for for the Whammies! Rollin rollin rollin…
QB Kyle Boller falls down for LB Thumbalina Hali – a Favre genuflection ala Strahan; 4th down…thank goodness for lucky breaks Chiefs fans.
Whammies punt, and the ball is downed on the KC 1 yard line – WOW!
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Timeout now as were 3/4 of the way through an – – exciting 1st quarter via the courtesy s exciting NEW Kaycee offense!
Brodie Croyle with yet ANOTHER GREAT THROW!
40 YARDS!
HERM EDWARDS QB STRIKES AGAIN!!
heh heh heh!!!
1ST DOWN KAN-SAS CITY!!!
It’s a one-man show as the Alabama Kid – Herm’s Boy – leads the Chiefs to a score! Ryan “Don’t Be A ” Succop doesn’t tonight (so far.)
There’s a new starting QB in KC, and his name is BRO-DIE CRO-YYYYYYYYYYLE!
heh heh heh!!!
KC 3 – STL 0
At the end of an exciting 1st quarter the new offense explodes to an 3 – 0 lead…
And ‘Q’ gets abUsed on a PR attempt…kerplop!
Timeout: still 3-0 Brodie Croyle!
daddy-o
A n d … the sieve that be s offensive line gets Brodie dang near killed; 4th down, a KC punt…
That’s right Rin! Look at Brodies arm GO!!!
And yet ANOTHER HERM EDWARDS CHIEF – HB Dantrell Savage – explodes for Herm 69 yards down the field!
And once again s hand-picked/hand-coached offensive ’sieve’ folds again: sack. Still Brodie Croyle & Dantrell Savage have the Chiefs well on the way to their 1st win of the 2009 season – for Herm Edwards! The men of Herm Edwards!!
Herm’s Chiefs 6 – STL 0
Timeout
“Chicklets & Clippers” aka Ndukwe & Alleman combine to give up the sack… nice pickups !
T-O-U-C-H-D-O-W-N W-H-A-M-M-I-E-S!
TD PASS TO DANIEL FELZ FROM BROCK BERLIN!!
heh heh heh!!!
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And the XP is up and gooooooooooooood!
Timeout now with our score -
STL 7 (TD) – s NEW KC offense (2 fgs) 6
Yup – be big things ahead for us in 2009…
Too much pressure on Brodie- Alleman & Nudukwe aka “Chicklets & Clippers” are a really stinkin’ it up tonight… thanks yet again – what finds!
Chiefs punt, STL football as we near halftime… Rin wonders as He wanders: can/will the Whammies score again? STAY TUNED!
BRODIE CROYLE STINKS—SAME AS LAST YEAR –BAD-BAD- BAD .
And…yet A-N-O-T-H-E-R HERM EDWARDS PLAYER STARS FOR THE CHIEFS! DuJuan Morgan with the INT!
Herm be proud as His Chiefs be personally keeping the Chiefs in the game!
“I’m a pickin’ Herm’!”
“And I’m a grinnin’ Rin!”
& “Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh!!!”
Jim Lloyd+ stinks like Lindberger cheese…
heh heh heh!
That & ;shock: acquired offensive sieve once again takes a dive…yet STILL, Brodie Croyle takes KC to yet another score!
Our score now:
Herm Edwards, Brodie Croyle, Dantrell Savage & DuJuan Morgan 9 – STL 7
daddy-o
HALFTIME NOW WITH OUR SCORE:
Herm Edwards Chiefs 9 – STL 7
JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGH—JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGH —HOLD’S THE BALL FOR EVER ——NO WAY —NO FIRST DOWNS PASSING BY EL FLOPPO — IS EVERY BODY BLIND——–
s poor play-calling in the first half: 0 for 7 on 3rd downs – you stink ‘check’ !
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And here we go with Rin’s play by play…again. A/K/A Rin talking to himself.
What a dumbass!!! LMAO! Sad, pathetic…yet at the same time, fairly amusing.
Hey Rin…don’t quit your day job. Because you play-by-play BLOWS. Ha ha!
BTW…news flash for you. Herm got FIRED. About 8 months ago. Because he SUCKED IT! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, buddy. But, seriously…it’s okay to let go of the tit now. Really. We understand.
Got more? Bring it on. I won’t be here. I’ll be hangin’ out with REAL Chiefs fans. Enjoy.
And as we go to a timeout in the 3rd quarter this very exciting contest, it remains exciting: Herm’s Chiefs 9 – STL 7
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Croyle has Herm’s Chiefs in position to win – let’s see if can manage to NOT mess it up now with his queer offensive play-calling.
s new offense tonight: 9 points vs the STL starters. Let’s see how they do against reserves. If ‘check’ can’t put up at least 28 points in 2nd half- oh no! Another & draft choice BUSTS coughs up the football. FUMBLE ‘Q’ – STL ball!
heh heh heh!!!
daddy-o
1st half assessments:
All other teams in the NFL are playing their backups except these 2. lol.
Qbs:
1. Croyle shows his arm strength by threading the needle numerous times. That being said, he still doesnt show any “touch” on the ball (like Cassel is able to) and just fires the ball to a spot regardless where on the field. This is great on intermediate routes, but he is not getting enough “air” underneath the ball on deep throws.
2. He has taken some tough hits and bounced back. Each time he is sacked the commentators scream instinctively “croyle is down” as if its a season ending injury, and when they show him on the field he is walking around fine. If you think of all the qbs that have been injured behind the chiefs offensive line over the years (croyle, green, huard, thigpen, cassel) one must think it might not be the qbs, but have more to do with the line.
3. He is very calm, but sometimes too calm (i.e no sense of urgency). Had a delay of game.
Offensive LIne:
1. whoever is at RT sucks (whether it is McIntosh or Nudukwe). They cannot pass block.
2. as a whole the line seems to be doing a better job then they did against seatle.
WRs:
1. bradley makes a nice catch and move to get upfield.
2. Bowe has been draped by the st.louis cbs all night
3. engram made a nice catch
TE:
1. Sean Ryan making alot of catches…1 of them big! He is showing he can be a recieving threat in the middle of the field
2. None of our TE can block…which was supposed to be their strength. Maybe they need to go through Oline drills..or maybe the team just needs to replace downs in which they will obviously block with nimble offensive lineman.
3. Cottam is invisible. He is clearly 2nd string and has been suplanted by Sean Ryan.
RB:
1. LJ fought for yards and got a long run
2. Savage broke alot of tackles for a 70yrd run. He isnt fast, but is a good all around back.
3. Jamal charles is unable to find a seem
4. Javaris WIlliams isnt doing anything and will be cut, IMO…maybe going to PS
Defense:
Dline:
1. once again doing a good job allowing LBs to make plays.
LBs:
1. still a liability in pass coverage, but I am getting encouraged and expect to see improvement as the season progresses
2. Vrabel makes alot of smart decisions throughout the game. he is a complete LB
3. Hali seems to be a good compliment for Vrabel as a starting OLB. He got a sack and is able to pressure. He is much quicker at the decreased weight, and is thriving not being on the LOS.
4. Biesel made some smart decisions on running plays, and DJ had a tackle behind the LOS.
5. Corey mays had another sack
6. turk mcbride also making tackles when given the oppurtunity
7. As a whole the LB unit was considered a weakness, and these guys have probably stepped up more then any other position group and are showing some quality and depth. i expect them to improve as they get more comfortable in the new defense
Safties:
1. McGraw has had a great 1st half making hard tackles, and breaking up plays.
2. Dujuan Morgan has really stepped up the last 2 games. Got an INT. Shows speed and tackling ability. Maybe the light finally came on for him.
CB:
1. Donald Washington got Flowers starting spot. Gave up some passes, but defended some passes. SO far has been a sure tackler
2. Carr and Leggit are continue to play and play well.
ST:
1. Colquitt having another good game as expected
2. Succop is perfect tonight in FG. His kickoffs havent gone in the end zone, but are close (around the 1). Would be nice for him to get more touchbacks.
3. Jevon Belcher made a good ST tackle. I think he deserves to be on the team
4. punt/kickoff returners continue to suck. Have bobled/fumbled, made poor decisions (allowing balls to be downed at 1), and getting poor field position.
Coaching/offensive play calling
1. the offensive play calling has been more vertical throws. Thats good, but sometimes on 3rd and short they have tried to get a big play instead of just trying to move the chains. As a whole the playcalling today has been more aggressive and improved compared to Gailey’s calls so far this season.
2. They have been asking croyle to get the ball behind center which is unfair because the line cant pass block for very long….they need to go more exclusively to shotgun
3. They continue to rotate Olineman when the starting QB is in (croyle tonight). That is completely unfair to him and the other players because their is no continuity. You cant expect to go deep when behind a patchwork line that havent played with each other for very long.
4. Haley is angry with everyone. he is scowling all the time, jawwing with croyle. At this rate I dont think he will be able to hold it together for the entire season.
T-O-U-C-H-D-O-W-N – W-H-A-M-M-I-E-S!!
STL INT PICK 6 TD!
heh heh heh!!!
with more of his ’special’ offensive genius on display…where’s the vomit bag.
STL 14 KC 9
LMAO!!! Please, Rin…PLEASE don’t stop. You’re killin’ me here! Ha ha!
Over 2,000 comments at AP since the game started. Over 2,000!!! And not one single person…NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON shares your opinion. LMAO!
While you sit here talking to yourself.
You know what that says to me? That absolutley SCREAMS “Rin’s an idiot”. Ha ha!!!
Thanks for the laughs, though. Seriously, man. You embarrassing yourself is freakin’ PRICELESS! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!
More. Please? More. LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
s NEW offense is now 1 for 11 tonight on 3rd down calls/plays his – way to go ‘check’!
We are saved! 16-0 in 2009! Superbowl!
End of the 3rd quarter now as a puckering backside the KC fandom feels the tug of shorts in a bunch…
STL Rams 14 – s NEWLY offensive chiefs 9
heh heh heh!
15 more minutes of torture to go…
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findthedr,
Thank you. Thank you for that excellent piece of sanity among the completely absurd.
Just wanted you to know that it didn’t go un-noticed. I enjoyed the read…and a REAL fans “take” of the game. Very, VERY good job.
now 1 for 12 on 3rd down plays – WOW! WHAT AN OFFENSIVE GENIUS AND CO-ORDINATOR ‘CHECK’ BE!
heh heh heh!!!
STL intercepts again! STL ball, KC territory…
And just for the record…I’d say Thigpen’s days as a Chief can be measured on about two fingers. He certainly hasn’t done himself any favors in these pre-season games.
Bye Bye Thigpen
Herm Edward’s first preseason Chiefs: 2-2
‘check’s s first preseason KC: 0-4
Herm’s first regular season: 9-7/playoffs
s first regular season: 0-16/FIRED
heh heh heh!!!
Jackie Battle – ANOTHER HEM EDWARDS CHIEF – saves on 3rd down (now 2-12)
AND HERM TOO!
Correction – was 2-13, now 2-14 on 3rd downs
‘check’s new name: L-O-S-E-R
STL ball, 9:47 to go in the game:
STL 14 – giggles 9
And our very own Rin Tin Tin…STILL unable to let go of Herm’s nutsack. LMAO!!! Gawd…I can’t remember a time when Rin was so amusing as he has been tonight. Sad and pathetic, totally all on his own on an island of Chief hatred…but amusing just the same. Ha ha! It’s all yours, buddy.
W-H-A-M-M-I-E-S S-C-O-R-E!
AGAIN!!
FG is goooooooooooooooooood!!!
STL 17 – s NEW offensively explosive Chiefs 9
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
2 minutes to go until the pain stops – least for a week Chiefs fandumb. STL 17 – 9
so far 2nd half:
1. Thigpen needs to be benched. poor mechanics, poor decisions, throwing jumpballs (that sometimes work sometimes dont), poor accuracy. He clearly is not comfortable playing out of center, and the chiefs are forcing the issue. In the longterm it is better for him, but in the short-term it isnt playing to his strengths and he is making poor decisions.
2. 2nd string Dline players are superior to 2nd/3rd string st.louis players
3. backup offensive lineman of the chiefs are playing better than st.louis backup dlineman.
4. morgan contines to make plays.
5.Taurus Johnson just got himself cut with the roughing the kicker. lol.
6. At this point I hope Thigpen is cut, but its too bad the chiefs missed out on getting a 5th rounder.
7. Battle had some nice runs. Gut implemented that screen better than any of the chiefs qbs so far.
8. Gilberry and Tank Tyler are playing well.
9. obviously Haley wants this win extremely badly, but I dont think chiefs are going to get it. Too bad for the chiefs players because he is going to keep grinding at them.
10. Based on some comment Pioli made on tv (something about smaller window of success [need clarification]) it seems that Haley is under extreme pressure to succeed quickly.
s NEW 3rd down offensive explosion tonight: 3-16 and 0-1 on 4th down…
Chiefs nee ;shock: & are fini! heh heh heh!!!
STL takes over and will run out the clock…
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A n d . . . the final score:
W-H-A-M-M-I-E-S 17 – 9
“I can take any 22 guys from off the street and-
Chiefsfandom: “OH SHUT-UP!!!!!”
“Go 0-4.”
:lol “Hey Herm!?”
“Yeah Rin!?”
“I’m a pickin’!!”
“And I’m a grinnin’!!!”
& “Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh!!!!!”
The bad news? That was the STL LAMBS defense that choked s offense to death.
The worse news: the RAVENS defense comes next – IN BALTIMORE! Hide the women, children AND men!
BALT 598 – .2 (alternate: BALT 23 KC 0/3)
R.I.P. Chiefs 2009 season…
And on his post game excuse session- er, ’show’ does his best Sammy Davis Jr. tap:
“I’ve said many times that we haven’t learned how to win – BUT – [drumroll] fortunately these games don’t count.”
DANCE ‘check’ DANCE!
heh heh heh – man can he DANCE!
daddy-o