OTA Update 6/16
From the Truman Sports Complex
The Chiefs organized off-season worked ended Tuesday, as head coach Todd Haley put his team through a conditioning test and then dismissed them until July 30th when they head to training camp in Wisconsin.
There were two more OTA sessions scheduled for Wednesdsay and Thursday, but Haley was pleased with the progress and work that his players had gotten done in the last three months. He and his coaching staff decided to allow an early exit for the team.
“This wasn’t pre-meditated,” said Haley, the guy who is supposed to be so mean and nasty to players. “We made a lot of progress overall … we’ve come a long way in strength and conditioning and I think we’ve come a long way schematically and guys understanding what they have to do.
“We as a staff felt like it was the right thing to do for the guys.”
The conditioning test has the players run 50 yards three consecutive times, then a one-minute break, then 50 yards three more times, a one-minute break, and then 50 yards three more times. The little guys like defensive backs and wide receivers have to run under 55 seconds. The running backs, tight ends, quarterbacks, linebackers have to do it in 58 seconds and the big boys on the offensive and defensive line get 62 seconds.
They will have to pass it again on the first day of training camp before they are able to practice.
“It’s like an albatross hanging over them for the next month,” Haley said. “Training camp is hot, we need these guys in shape.”
Haley indicated the large majority of players passed the test, something they were not able to do back at the start of the team’s strength and conditioning program. He said all but one of the rookies on the roster passed the test, including CB Donald Washington who has been with the team just two days.
“We’ve got a long way to go, but from where we started to where we are at right now, I think the guys really worked hard every day and we had such good attendance, it was worth throwing them a bone and let them get out of here,” said Haley.
Haley and his staff were concerned that another handful of practices would not bring more progress at this time.
“Was it going to start to be diminishing returns,” Haley said. “These guys started early, they’ve been working really hard and I just thought it was worth the sacrifice.”
The rookies will spend the next 10 days or so around the facility working with the strength and conditioning staff and also some assistant coaches will work with them. There’s a handful of veterans that will be there as well.
For the others, it was heading home for vacation, or simply changing their location for workouts. The coaching staff itself will soon take a holiday.
Well, I hope the coaches are seeing as much improvement as we fans are dreaming about seeing. If that is the case, then I guess the early break is deserved and a little more opptimism goes into my tank.
And now we head into the “dead zone” for news of our team. It’s gonna’ be a long 6-plus weeks. Next time they all get together for training camp…it’ll be for REAL.
I hope these guys that have worked so hard to get into shape, don’t blow it between now and then.
“The conditioning test has the players run 50 yards three times, then a one-minute break, then 50 yards three more times, a one-minute break, and then 50 yards three more times. The little guys like defensive backs and wide receivers have to run under 55 seconds. The running backs, tight ends, quarterbacks, linebackers have to do it in 58 seconds and the big boys on the offensive and defensive line get 62 seconds.”
What sort of test is this?? i’m not in that good shape but i work harder when i warm up!! no wonder they can’t cut it in the 4th quarter
“I hope these guys that have worked so hard to get into shape, don’t blow it between now and then.”
I agree. You know – this team defense reminds me of a college football defensive coordinator a few years ago that spoke to a group I got to be with. Paraphrasing him: “This is a young group of guys we have. They’re a real fast group of guys…they may not know exactly where they’re supposed to go – but they’ll get there real fast!”
Our team may not have the talent or knowledge of the system needed to make a playoff run this year – but it’ll definitely be able to run…
Peter,
you go try it!!
Its just a test, with a million others that they have to do. I wouldnt put much into it.
Besides you can thank player friendly, no practice, HERM about the 4th quater problems last year, dude.
Peter says: “i’m not in that good shape but i work harder when i warm up!!”
That’s your ass talkin, cuz your head knows better.
Yeah that conditioning test is seriously weak. I wonder if that was a typo because I ran that same exact drill in soccer in HIGH SCHOOL and we had to do it under a min. You would think professional athletes would be held to a higher standard than high school freshman…
I agree with Peter here, something is off with those numbers. Anyone can run 150 yards in 55 seconds, or 450 yards in 165 seconds for that matter. 150 yards is 137 meters and the world record 200 meter is around 20 seconds and the Kansas City Chiefs has 55 seconds to run less? Nah, there has to be some kind of mistake.
It may be time for Sgt. Hulka to take these guys through the obstacle course
Now let’s get the draft choices signed! Let’s hope the agents understand that getting their guy in camp on time might be more important than a few extra bucks! (Of course, it’s rarely a “few” extra bucks) Let’s just get them all to camp! I believe that’s on Pioli as Denny Thum is out of the picture(but not too far away). Sounds like there could be a reason for optimism for the upcoming season.
well, Haley gave them time off, but what is overlooked is the way he went about it.
Haley challenged his players to stay at their weight, to stay in shape, and I expect a few cuts come August when a few didnt keep up their end of the bargain.
There is just SO much time off between now and camp, it worries me for a team that had to lose 338 Lb’s to get in shape…with a bunch of excuses of eating home cooking…im sorry, ive seen the guys who went at it EVERY DAY in the workout room next to me(LT, and the guy who didnt, and came in overweight despite talent, Jesse Chapman, and yes, Maurice Clarett(who refused to do certain warm ups because he didnt want to waste his time)
Albert better be at weight, DJ better be in shape, Cox no more of that cooking…
We will learn a lot about this team in the next few months.
It sounds like they run 50, stop, turn around, run 50, stop, turn around, and run 50. With all the stopping and turning involved, that would slow you down a lot. It’s not just run 150 yards in this amount of time. Plus, they have to do three sets in a row. The first set may be easy, the second set may not be bad either, but you’ll feel it on the third one.
Not necessarily boot camp, but not a walk in the park either guys. Let’s see any of you run this drill with a 65 second time limit. I’m betting most of you couldn’t.
oh, ffs! can no one add? it’s NINE sets of 50 – 450yds, not 150.
“They will have to pass it again on the first day of training camp before they are able to practice.”
this will be the real test.
Those who think this is easy should try it.
And try it after an otherwise complete 60 to 90 minute workout.
What football teams term a light conditioning workout would put a large percentage of the population out of commission for about three days.
Obviously the coaches are watching and they have stopwatches. Those who are loafing are going to be noticed by their teammates and coaches.
Old NBA coach Jack Ramsey had a somewhat similar test for his players on the day they reported to training camp. I can’t remember all the details but it required them all to do a 2 mile run.
The small guys under 210 lbs had to run it under 12 minutes
Medium guys under 230 lbs had to do it under 12.5 minutues
The big guys over 230lbs had to run it under 13 minutes.
Their times told Ramsey the shape each group was in and what their additional conditioning workload would be. This Haley test, while similar, seems a little easier but I could be wrong.
Agree with Smolder. Running a 7 second 50 translates into 52.5 minutes for the total of 9 sprints. Try running your 9th 50 yard sprint in 7 seconds sometime. Make sure you run it outside in the heat as well.
I think there is more to the Denver story than meets the eye. I think the owner has $$$$ issues. His main business is auto dealerships and he has major debt from the stadium. Keep an eye on this one Gretz.
300 yd shuttle…50 and BACK 3 times… problem solved.
So, KC’s golfing coach lets the players skate and cancels 2 OTA’s. Yup, it’s going to be one bogey of a season 2009 in KC. FORE! (If this was Nam, a fragging wouldst be the operative noun, result.)
That the players grew tired of ‘check’ this soon of course does ‘not’ bode well upcoming training camp. Conclusion – ‘check’s already lost players respect & is backpedaling furiously in an attempt to buy some time/rethink his found wanting plans.
Get that golf resume in order ‘check’…
Rin I prefer to ignor you but I doubt you know anything about Nam. So keep off subjects that overload your ass’ ability to get kicked.
golf resume eh? where were YOU during the super bowl? and where was Todd Haley? Right.
2 days off now means little, when camp isnt till the end of july…thats a LOT of time, 2 days? they already took extra time having the option with a first year coach, so technically, its pretty even to the rest of the NFL, except we lost 338 lbs.
I bet most of the people would have a hard time running a 6 second 40 yard dash, now add 10 yards and do Nine of them. That is not easy at all…
They are only adding up the times from the 50 yard dash each time with the 1 minute break in between.
Talk about a real Lung Burner!
Sprints are not like running but if you compare, that is like running a 1/4 of a mile in 3 minutes and 15 seconds. A lot of guys at my old high school could run a 5 minute mile all day long. They may not have been sprinting but at 3 minutes they would have been well past a half mile.
This is how I read it. The players run a 50 yd dash, that dash is timed. They turn around (the turn around time is not timed Colby) and run another one, they turn around and run another one. They rest one minute and then they start over. 55 seconds (DB’s time) divided by 9 sprints is equal to 6.11 seconds per 50 yd sprint.
Now lets assume the DBs can run on average a 4.5 sec. 40 yd sprint (that is an all out sprint) 4.5 sec. times 9 sprints equals 40.5 seconds. That is a difference of 14.5 seconds. That is a 1.6 sec. cushion per sprint. Now add 10 yds to each sprint and that is basically 9 all out 50 yd sprints in 2.9 minutes without losing any time off your sprint time. That sounds impossible for even the most elite of athletes.
Just thought I would add: I would be willing to bet that not many of us posting here could run 50 yds in 6.11 seconds ever, let alone 9 consecutive times.
tm1946 says
“Rin”
- yes knave?
“I prefer to ignor you but”
- I understand completely that no one can read just one Rin blog…
“I doubt you know anything about Nam.”
- for the record: 1st Force Reconnaissance/Black Ops ‘67-’68… Rin doubts you would have made it through one night. Semper Fidelis.
“So keep off subjects that overload your ass’ ability to get kicked.”
- check your shorts & your integrity…they both reek.
Just kidding! I was actually in Canada for the duration of the Vietnam war, dodging the draft, in similar fashion to how I dodge real issues and questions on this blog.
Gotta go hump a tree. Be right back!
((Cue yet another Elton John paraphrase fake Rin blog ^ this one above))
“Green eyes…fake Rin’s got, green eyes…”
Semper Fidelis
Some of you might wonder why I quote Sir Elton so frequently, and I tell you forwardly that your assumptions are incorrect. I “pine” only for the leafy branches of a tree.
((Cue yet another Elton John paraphrase ^ fake Rin blog this one above))
“Green eyes…fake Rin’s got, green eyes…”
Semper Fidelis
Imposter!
Colby has it right in the 50 yd. test. However I dought it was run at the beginning of practice. So I would imagine that it was not like baking cup cakes.
Rin……. what unit were you in? They way you tell it the first time, 1st recon. “black ops” you must watch a lot of movies. Usually the unit is a little more complicated the that. I bet you were either in Canada……. or you scored a 4F on your entrance. Personally I hate those who try to fake it by pretending to be what they are not.
I am a Marine until I die and was active duty from 1976 till 1982 HMA 169 3rd MAW Camp Pendleton CA.
Here is a test for you Rin… best of LUCK to you.
When is the Corps Birthday ?
Who was Lt. Presley O’Bannion?
Where is the 1st. Mar Div. stationed ?
Who is the first Italian American to receive the CMOH ?
Who was the commanding officer at the Chosin Reservoir?
Holy Cow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did not mean to post Anonymously!
Rin you test comes from Me!
It is all about the TEAM………………
And the right 53!
I’m back!
Rin was one of the hippies that my old man arrested for swimming naked in the fountains.
Rin…
No reply since my test for you, posted 28 minutes ago.
D-Dog, welcome back friend! Hopefully you’re encouraged by the progress of the development of our Right (22) 53 and the right 2nd round draft pick in 2010.
Anonymous said:
“Rin”
- yes, what is it now?
“what unit were you in?”
- 1st Force Recon Company when I arrived in 1966; the where, what, who, when, how & whys after that transpired will remain privileged.
It definitely wasn’t Pendelton but instead places like Dong Ha, Hue and Phu among other both within & without where Rin spent his long days- and even longer nights…
“They way you tell it the first time, 1st recon. “black ops” you must watch a lot of movies.”
- both real life kind in blood red & guts as well the television and movie kind you reference… in fact Rin was interviewed on a Vietnam DVD dealing with the war. The title? That would result in my anonymity being lost if I said much more – I will not as anonymity is something I cherish. You will just have to keep wondering and wandering…which is you’re good at (you probably learned that over at Pendelton ‘during the war’…huh.)
“Usually the unit is a little more complicated the that.”
- no, units are not complicated…ever. Rather, only incompetent people who never got the hang feel that way; I can sense the rope hesitation marks about your neck from here.
“I bet you were either in Canada or you scored a 4F on your entrance.”
- never been north of the border; if you had been old enough (or not 4F yourself) you’d have likely been the first one across the border when Rin was shipping out to serve his country late 1960’s…
“Personally I hate those who try to fake it by pretending to be what they are not.”
- Rin discovered long ago that folks who talk the most about their military experiences usually are the ones who never served in war time…like you. I can say this because I did serve during the war – right smack dab in the middle of it and various medals & ribbons did I earn, for the record. They too shall remain within my memory.
“I am a Marine until I die and was active duty from 1976 till 1982 HMA 169 3rd MAW Camp Pendleton CA.”
- wow Pendelton huh…Hah-hah (not to be confused with Ooh-rah!) California is alot closer to home than Nam where Rin served – you probably ’served’ in Special Services; lemme guess…recreation.
“Here is a test for you Rin… best of LUCK to you.”
- here’s a test for you, simple questions because I cannot & will not detail matters more specific to what Rin in particular was a part of. If you can’t answer these softball q’s, don’t waste my time further:
* Describe a typical reconnaissance patrol in Vietnam – and a not so typical.
* describe the protocol for each the following: STARLIGHT, BIRDWATCHER, DOUBLE EAGLE, HASTINGS, PRAIRIE, HUE CITY, HOUSTON, TAYLOR COMMON, and MUSKOGEE MEADOW.
* What notable occurrence happened on 4/28/1968 in Gia Dinh?
* What does July 21, 1970 and pro football have in common?
Good night Chesty, wherever you are…
DevilDog,
Welcome back. Don’t worry. You weren’t the only one to notice how Rin (once again) avoided answering any questions and skirted around the issues at hand. I guess at some point during his “impressive” education no one taught him that you aren’t supposed to answer a question with another question…then again, I think we pretty much knew he wasn’t as smart as he thought he was.
Rin likes to talk about nothing…he’s the Seinfeld of this blog, only no where near as entertaining.
rin says …….dribble, drabble, blah, blah, blah. Just like always full of “Rin” You were never in my Corps Rin!
To all of our Chiefs fans I say I am excited and ready for some Chiefs football. It sounds as if the team is going to be a formidable force. And we may need a score card to keep track of all the new faces in new positions.
It is all about the TEAM……….and……….
The right (22)
In the Coach I trust
Rin………….
Whats up dude?
I know you don’t know the answers ………. you can at least look them up and try to save face.
You could even learn something by looking up the answers. The very simplest Q I gave you was where is the 1st. Mar. Div. Stationed?
“devildog 1976 says
I’ve been found out for the fraud I am – again – just like ’search’ & ‘check’ have been in 2009.”
“rin says”
- it only took dd (of ‘waiver’ fame) 27 hours to get back to me and say…nothing -again- per the usual.
“dribble, drabble, blah, blah, blah.”
- oh, you worked latrine duty too while Rin was working the enemy…
“Just like always”
- yes, you needn’t have said a word…it was obvious.
“full of “Rin”
- and vim & vigor: my legacy the Corps!
“You were never in my Corps Rin!”
- Rin ‘was’ the Corp – the finest sense thereof. The closest you ever got to a core was eating a Washington Red…
“To all of our Chiefs fans I say I am excited and ready for some Chiefs football. It sounds as if the team is going to be a formidable force. And we may need a score card to keep track of all the new faces in new positions.”
- “any 22 will do” > > the right 53… heh heh heh
“It is all about the TEAM……….and………The right (22) In the Coach I trust”
- “any 22 will do” … as in 0-16 in 2009. How do you spell disaster? Here in ‘Show Me’ we spell it ’s-e-a-r-c-h’ & ‘c-h-e-c-k’…
heh heh heh
Rin and D-Dog,
I have no rank to pull on you fellows, but, since it’s my best understanding that my grandfather was in the Corps and served in harm’s way in some not so friendly places before either of you did – I’d appreciate it if you both settled where you served and how – or scheduled a cage match and shook hands at the end of the day. There’s Raiders to stomp and Donks to embarrass.
dd said:
“Rin”
- yes, what is it now Mr. Fanatsy Island?
“Whats up dude?”
- my integrity, unlike yours…
“I know”
- the first step is admitting you are a fraud- take the second whenever you’re ready…
“you don’t know the answers”
- Rin ‘is’ the answer to every…
“you can at least look them up and try to save face.”
- you are strangely silent as to Rin’s Vietnam war time queries…problems?
“You could even learn something by looking up the answers.”
- they are easy enough that anyone could do so… that Rin already knows them be suffuicient for my purposes. Remember – you came to Rin and not vice versa…it is/has always been that way. When Rin speaks, people listen.
“The very simplest Q I gave you was where is the 1st. Mar. Div. Stationed?”
- Rin gave you even simpler basic questions…you are silent, and fail miserably. Why might that be?
Can you not tell us how it was ’stateside’ during the war?
Maybe let us in on the ‘Pendelton’ way? How long does it take to do nothing there all day?
And tell us about your most exciting & rewarding experience in the recreation department what say toy soldier?
Gert back to Rin, you ‘phony’…
https://www.usmcpress.com/heritage/corp_values.htm
‘And, above all, honor mandates that a Marine never sully the reputation of his Corps.’
Neither one of you fellows has to answer to me – but you answer to my grandfather and great men like him and their memories. When you get done trading cheap barbs and jabs, maybe we can get back to some real business?
With due respect,
SG
SG
Eye eye sir,
I joined because of my great uncle 4th mar. div. died on Iwo Jima. I am very grateful for your grandfather and all who went before me. My grandfather served with Harry S. Truman in the war to end all wars I will stand down from this barb and jab as you ask.
It is ALWAYS about the TEAM……….and……….
The right 53 (22)
In the coach I trust.
D-Dog,
That’s much appreciated. I definitely don’t have any right to ask much of you fellows…in thinking about this though, I am scheduled to meet with my father Sunday to look through my grandfather’s service records, service medals (including those from his WWII service in the Pacific – Tarawa, Iwo, etc.), personal diary he kept.
With ALL respect,
SG
SG,
You need to police these blogs more often.
I like what Rin and D-Dog bring to the blog, so only certain fights are worth pickin’ with them (plus I think either one could take me out in a one-on-one scrap LOL).
SG
dd has nothing to answer for because he was never in the Corps – period. Rin was and in truth will always be, for better & worse. Those who were in a war prefer not talking about said… those who were not will never understand said.
Now then – back to football and the famous last “any 22″ words of messers (an correct spelling) ‘check’ & ’search’…the not so dynamic duo who will bring home zero wins for Kaycee in 2009…
“Now then – back to football…”
Ahh – the words I wanted to read. What players on the roster have the best chance to help “check” save face and help “Search” not search for work after this coming season?
“Those who were in a war prefer not talking about said…”
Understood. For whatever level of service you provided – much appreciated. Anyone who wears the uniform, whether Stateside or kickin’ butt abroad earns my respect. I’ve never had to pay the price – largely due to the sacrifice of the men and women like my grandfather (and their families) – to those who pay that price – I humbly say “Thank you.”
It’s cool to come on here and trade jabs with such on here who act “in honor.”
Fake Rin’s, anonymouses, etc. – I still challenge you to pick out your own names – show Bob your email address – and let your words stand on their own. If you can out-wit the likes of Scott, D-Dog, Rin, or myself, it’s a credit to you – and you need not hide in such pathetic message posting. We are Chiefs, not Cowards.
This message is for SG:
I would not put myself or D-Dog or Scott in the same catagory as Rin. That is self-defamation if I have ever seen it.
Rin is about as intelligent as I was when I refused to negotiate a deal with Jared Allen.
CP,
We’ll all watch to see if your words prove you to be in the same class as D-Dog, Scott…or Rin… or some lower level that shows you’d be qualified to earn a job as a scarecrow.
However, I do see you found a name for yourself (and there’s a strong chance you’ve probably posted as Herm, and possibly Fake Rin and anonymous). So…much like the White House responded when Netanyahu said Israel would accept a two state solution with a bazillion strings attached, your action will be taken by me as a step of progress.
Regards,
SG
SG says
“What players on the roster have the best chance to help “check” save face and help “Search” not search for work after this coming season?”
- any 22 according to ‘check’. One thing to watch for is how many of Herm’s players make the final 53 roster and any others on IR, DV lists etc.
If ‘check’ and his any 22 is legitmate & not more than lip service his – and I believe that ‘check’ is nothing but lip service – he will field a team of NO former Edwards players.
Edwards said about 80% of the team was already in place end last season. Taking into consideration that a new regime will bring new schemes, ideas & players, that 80% becomes a bit moot. Still, 80% of 53 would be about 42 players. So let’s see how many Herm Chiefs remain. Rin suggests that there will be about that many or 42/80%, certainly not much less than that at worst.
This will affirm Herm was correct & that ‘check’ knows it to be the case. It will also cause the Herm denigration club further angst . . . sweet!
So, as ‘check’ is more flip than legit, let us see how many any 22’s he find among Herm’s men. And as Rin has said afore any victories in 2009 will be Herm’s/his player…any/all losses will be ‘check’s.’
Specific players? Who can say at this juncture. Guesses? Many. I see team cohesion more than a player or several as the hoped for result.
Schottenheimer had strong ‘teams’ that lacked at QB as well suffered at his/his offensive CO-ORDs trembling hands the playoffs.
Circa 2009 KC still has no more than journeyman level talent at QB…as always, the QB position makes a team.
The first 14 Superbowl winners had Hall of Fame QBs; the exceptions since have been few… odds are until Kaycee has one of the HOFrs in tow we will not win big again.
Too, a HOF Coach is preferable; alas, the only way ‘check’ will ever get into the Hall is via normal business hours (and he’d better make an appointment just to be safe.)
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Sounds like a warm-up for my Swimmers. Oh football and you thinking that is a tough sport to train for.