Practice Update 8/24 A.M. & Trade News
From the Truman Sports Complex
Todd Haley told his team last week that leaving Wisconsin did not mean the end of training camp. It was just a change of venue.
If they doubted the coach’s words, the players found out Monday morning what Haley was talking about. In the first of two practices on the day, the Chiefs were in full pads. They wrapped up the session with three plays of live goal line action.
That proved a not so good moment for the offense. From the location where the media is allowed to watch practice, it was hard to decipher whether the ball crossed the goal line; even if it did, the offense had a rough go. On the first play, RB Larry Johnson ran wide left and was suddenly brought down by a speading missle wearing No. 49, SS Bernard Pollard. On the second play, Johnson leaped over the middle of the pile and somewhere in going up or coming down, he lost the football. Pollard ended up with it and took off running in the other direction.
On the third play, Jackie Battle ran behind left tackle, but he too coughed up the football at some point. It was recovered by the defense.
“It was a little bit of a slow start, but we picked it up as we went and it ended up being a fairly competitive, productive practice,” said Haley. “We can’t have practice start like that ever, if we expect to be any good.”
The Chiefs are in the process of finalizing announced a trade with the Miami Dolphins that will bring offensive linemen Andy Alleman and Ikechuku Ndukwe to the team. If they pass physicals they will join the roster on Monday. Both players passed Chiefs physicals and should be on the field for the afternoon practice. Alleman is a third-year player who entered the league in 2007 with New Orleans out of the University of Akron. He started five games for the Dolphins at guard last season. Ndukwe started 15 games at guard for the Dolphins last season. He’s out of Northwestern and the Chiefs will be the fifth team of his NFL career. He entered the league in 2005 as a undrafted college free agent with New Orleans. Both Alleman and Ndukwe played their high school football in Ohio.
To open roster spots for the new linemen, the Chiefs released OLB Vince Redd and C/G Brian De La Puente.
Other moments, details and stuff from the morning workout:
– Still no arrowheads on the helmets for Haley. OLB Mike Vrabel did have one crumpted arrowhead on his helmet, likely a leftover from last Friday night’s game. It was no longer on Vrabel’s helmet in the locker room after practice. Haley has said when players make the team, they arrowheads will go back on their helmets.
- Only two players were in No Man’s Land of injury rehab: ILB Zach Thomas and RB Kolby Smith. Returning to practice were QB Tyler Thigpen and G Tavares Washington. Rookie G Colin Brown was late arriving for the morning session, but did take part.
- When the No. 1 defense went out, first-round draft choice Tyson Jackson lined up at LDE, instead of Alfonso Boone. It’s the first time since he signed his contract and reported to camp that Jackson has lined up with the base defense.
- Jackson also has duties during practice, and that’s delivering a cup of Gatorade to the head coach during one of the breaks in the workout. Did not look like he spilled a drop on Monday.
- Still working at RT with the No. 1 offense was Barry Richardson. At WR, Terrance Copper and Devard Darling were still running with the first team.
- Here’s how the No. 2 line was arranged from left to right: Herb Taylor, Darryl Harris, Wade Smith, Tavares Washington and Damion McIntosh.
- In their situation period, the Chiefs worked on a quick kick out of a FG formation. K Ryan Succop did a nice job, as one of his punts rolled to the goal line and the other went out of bounds around the eight-yard line.
- Leggett had an interception of QB Matt Gutierrez on a tipped ball.
- Vrabel continues to be very vocal. On a 3rd-and-7 play, Darling moved before the snap and Vrabel let him here it. “Careful Devard, that’s a 3rd-and-7 to a 3rd-and-12,” Vrabel said.
- Working as punt returners were CB Maurice Leggett, RB Dantrell Savage and WR Rodney Wright.
Herm Edwards #6 pick OT Barry Richardson 1st team at RT, #5 & choice OT Colin Brown 3rd/4th team OG; so much for ‘better drafting’ in 2009. Right. ‘check’
The KC Star also reports said about KC’s best LB by some folks account, Derrick Johnson: “needs to get it going a little bit, I’d say.”
Bowe still second team; if iron sharpens iron then ‘check’ can use his head as an anvil for Dwayne’s angst…
‘Q’ no longer on PRs (and that’s the only place he’ll make the team, if he’s not even in on KRs. Speed & quickness alone is not enough…I’m sure he looks attractive to KC coaches because he so much on a team that has so little but for every nice play he might make, he’ll give it and then some back based on the evidence to date…
or these are your 2009 Kansas City Chiefs…enjoy.
nice report Mr. Gretz! Thank you!
slight correction: “speading missle” should be spelled “speeding missile”
I have to agree with Rin. The new KC management is certainly not coming up smelling like roses so far.
Larry, don’t listen to Rin. He is simply a contrarian whose opinion depends on the present company. Fact is, Rin is the same person who said 3 years wasn’t enough time to judge Herm (because Herm was unpopular at the time) and then tries to judge Haley & Co. on 3 WEEKS (b/c there is currently optimism for most fans for the new regime).
I like the fact that when there is a glaring need for an upgrade management has made some moves personnel wise. My guess is well see some arrowheads soon, Mays is my first candidate and they should announce him as defensive captain at the same time, hes hungry and it shows in his performance.
Sounds like another practice of controlled chaos. There is much work to do. There probably is’nt enough practice time in the next three weeks for any significant improvement.
Good to hear we have acquired a couple of experienced o-linemen. Hopefully Miami’s second or third string lineman are better than our first string. It would be great if they can pass Haley’s conditioning test today & get into the trenches right away. To have passed their physicals already, simply means they flew in last night & contracts signed prior to the media finding out.
It is also refreshing to pick up some new players from the other side of the Pioli family.
I agree Jimbo, these trades (including the Cassel/Vrabel trade) are very refreshing and reminiscent of how Vermeil completely rebuilt his team so quickly (compared to 3 years of Herm throwing crud against the wall and waiting around to see what stuck).
Building a team takes 4 primary phases: Drafting, Trading, Free-Agency, and development.
Winning a game takes a 5th component: Coaching
The balanced approach of the current management is a breath of fresh air.
Uncuffed,
Exactly. Well said. Perfect, in fact. Short, straight-to-the-point, and 100% right on the money. Thank you.
Ndukwe can play right tackle, unlike his compition at the Chiefs camp. Like that fact that they are still working on the roster. Lets keep in mind that they were left with very little to work with.
I think what Rin is trying to do (in his own convuluted and twisted way) is show those of us who were anti-Herm last year what it was like for those who actually were able to see improvement and good under the lame-duck Edwards administration. When he cheers on the other team, its his way of “paying those back” who at one point or another said things like “I hope the Chiefs lose the rest of their games so Herm gets fired.” I don’t seriously believe that Rin hates the new regime, the man is too passionate about football and the Chiefs specifically, I think instead that he is just trying to feed everyone their “just desserts” and show them how he felt the majority of the season last year.
Granted, now that I’ve brought that up, he’s likely to not admit to it and call me a knave or simpleton or make some comment about inbreeding in my family. Haha.
Hey Rin, we get it. Sorry for making your life Hell.
As you said in another blog Rin, you’ve nailed it once more. Kudos.
Thanks Daniel…now if we can just round up Baby J and Moses (plus maybe Abraham, Martin & John), the 2009 Chiefs can manage to get out of their own way.
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Am I the only one that’s dying for Bob to post the source IP addresses of each comment so we can see how many of these non-Rin posts are actually Rin conversing with himself?
Obviously, there are ways to disguise this but I’d be surprised if Rin was savvy enough to figure it out.
Although, since he still lives in his parent’s basement, he obviously has plenty of time to research it.
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“the 2009 Chiefs can manage to get out of their own way.”
Geeze, like the last two years were great or something. WTF???
“Herm Edwards #6 pick OT Barry Richardson 1st team at RT, #5 & choice OT Colin Brown 3rd/4th team OG; so much for ‘better drafting’ in 2009. Right. ‘check’”
Are you really bragging about Richardson? Did you watch the game Friday? The only reason I can see for your love affair w/ B Rich, is when he lets a DE blow by him and get to the QB, you somehow blame Cassle for taking a sack. Go back to writing song parodies and digging up you tube clips.
Anybody know what or who we traded to Miami?
It was an undisclosed 2010 draft pick. I ‘m guessing it was a 5th or 6th round pick.
Josh said
“Hey Rin”
- yes mine wannabe protege, what is it now?
“we get it.”
- it’s about time – what took you so long to figure it out?
“Sorry for making your life Hell. ”
- right back atcha… and the 16 game regular season hath not yet e’en yet begun. Ohhhh the glorious invective Rin shall being for all…
For once Josh you’re not as stupid as you portend (otherwise)/ always sound … that puts you miles ahead the rest.
__________________________
A paraphrased ode to a ‘High Flight’: Rin’s as always rapier wit in evidence, adaptation -
“Oh, I have clipped the surly wings of Chiefsdom
And grinned in the face them on laughter-silvered tongue mine;
Out of reach I’ve climbed & watched from on high the bumbling mass win-less humanity they…
And penned a hundred slings outrageous narrative they’ve not dreamed of…
Cajoled (tho ne’er bored) and swung high in the rarified aire mine brilliance.
Hov’ring there I’ve deftly eluded the shouting winds their angst, and flung this Pied Piper’s eager craft His wordsmith through unconvincing replies nee vacuity their hot air.
Up up the long unreachable majesty mine hue Rin’s topped these blogdom heights an easy grace, where ne’er Josh, none other nor e’en blog author flew.
And, while with facile yet fertile peerless mind mine Rin’s trod the high untrespassed sanctity a blog space – put out His hand… and slapped the face mi gente.”
A guess is that the draft pick will depend on playing time, and even if the player makes the team. Considering the condition of our line, they will make the team, and see lots of time. This is not a slam on g.m. or coach, but what they inherited, you can only do so much in a season.
I’m pleased to see they are still working on the roster and tweaking it to get as much out of it as possible. Picking up Vrabel was such a huge step forward for the defense in my opinion.
Haha…a backhanded compliment from Rin, I’ll take it.
I like the move to upgrade the offensive line. Instead of looking at the offensive line and hoping it could be “coached up,” Pioli makes a move to bring in more talent. Hopefully the two ex-Dolphins are an upgrade, but more importantly, I like the move. It clearly demonstrates to the rest of the team that they need to continually improve.
“- In their situation period, the Chiefs worked on a quick kick out of a FG formation. K Ryan Succop did a nice job, as one of his punts rolled to the goal line and the other went out of bounds around the eight-yard line.”
Hey Gretz! Why would you put something like this out?!
Stupid reporting like this is the reason the “press” is kept three football fields away. Looks like that may not be far enough! At least as far as EX employees go.
I call Fraud on you Gretz!
That seems a little harsh, Josh. Now, if this was game-week during the season, then I’d complain.
Succop can punt, too. You think our opponenets won’t know this?
Relax. It’s not Top Secret.
On second thought…I really like it. Why NOT put that out there? Let the opponent be wondering every time Succop lines up for a field goal. Will he actually try the attempt? Or will he “pooch” it down to the goal line? Keep ‘em guessing.
I always wonderd how Bill B. and Parsels put these team’s together with little to start with , they don’t take any thing personal , just dig and dig till they hit paydirt !!
The payoff will show up sooner than later , but not this week or next week , but when it does , O-YAUH ——
Paraphrazing “High Flight”?
Dude, you have way too much time on your hands…not to mention your disrespecting of many fliers that have passed with your idiotic drivel.
Are you retired or just collecting my tax money?
I would like to go on record as saying that the Josh going on a tirade above is not me. Bob does a good job for the most part and I appreciate his blogs. If I didn’t, I simply wouldn’t read them.
Maybe I should start doing like the other Josh does and put my initials at the bottom of my posts…
JCH
Nice try…but it won’t exactly work the way we want it to.
JCH
YES! I get my own fake Rin!
What am I supposed to say? “Green eyes, fake Josh has got green eyes…”
JCH
That was me, Josh. Just trying to make a point. When, or will Bob EVER put in a log in system here? Bob? Are you there, Bob?
“Ndukwe … is out of Northwestern and the Chiefs will be the fifth team of his NFL career.”
- what an ‘upgrade’ – 4 years the league 5th team now the Chiefs…true enough, be no one KC Chiefs can match that prodigious track record an Ike’s…
- unless –
Coming up fast on the outside it’s…Beedlebum!
“Alleman is a third-year player who entered the league in 2007 with New Orleans”
- Andy is on his 3rd team now aft just 2 years… Ike, you’ve some real competition here my boy.
LB Jeff Brady played for 8 teams, QB Jeff George for 7; memo to former Chief Jeff Webb: persevere.
“Both Alleman and Ndukwe played their high school football in Ohio.”
- well we won’t hold that against ‘em even tho it be the home of the Bengals & the Browns. Although worked for Cleveland in personnel- pretty sure played golf their once too… uh oh-
WAIT A MINUTE!
Haha. Dammit, Scott. I thought I had reached the upper echelon of posters and had gotten my own fake…way to pee on my parade.
I agree though. Something needs to be put into place.
JCH
Sorry, Josh.
But at least with a log in system…there’s only one Josh, only one Scott, etc. It wouldn’t cure ALL the problems, though. A moderator would be nice, too. Someone who could delete the total nonsense posts. After awhile…the fool(s) doing it would stop, since it would be a waste of time. Bob?
Washington, Baltimore, Miami, Kansas City, what other team? 4 teams, and he could still beat out Richardson. That isn’t even the point, the fact that the team has identified a weak spot and is working on it, it is encouraging. Well to most of us, some used too much stickum in the 60’s and 70’s, fumes have fogged thier memory.
Good God! Cobble together all this information from just TODAY, and what do we learn in terms of personnel?
I’m signing on with Pioli/Haley all the way, but truly do know that it’s AC/DC time for this 2009 Chiefs team.
AC/DC time? “It’s a long way to the top if you wanna rock n’ roll.”
I just want to win one more game than the Lions, hard to realize, but over the last two years, including the 0-16, they have a better record than the Chiefs.
“Phalz said”
- alas I am not Niagara…
“Paraphrazing “High Flight”?”
- well if you’re not certain… give us some of your outrage, won’t you? In 3, 2, 1…
“Dude, you have way too much time on your hands”
- yes, it’s a Rolex Oyster Perpetual…I just love it too.
“not to mention your disrespecting of many fliers”
- so which perturbs you more – or is it the fact you’re unable to adapt, parody or create anything yourself? As for the outrage, how did you come to measure said? And how many would you say?
In it’s original form, the poem is but one man’s response to the joy of flying high up in the sky – Rin’s adaptation same be one man’s reverie His flying high the blog.
An specific number ra’her generalization would be helpful regards the aggrieved you fail to ID (the names, ranks, serial numbers, how was injurious.) Even then tis a matter of choice; no one was hurt nor tortured in the making of either the original nor the adaptation. Your choice to be offended by innocuousness, but if you be nee your eyes doth- then pluck them out.
“that have passed with your-”
- my uncle? Sure, or naught … your choice; my Uncle Bob was a P-51 Mustang Fighter Pilot in WW II- a flier like the man who wrote the original. If I’d any doubt my version would disrespect man either, would not have done so. Rin is still of a certainty His/He did not. Thus, you believe as you will, and so shall I.
“idiotic drivel.”
- no thank you, you’ve got said covered…
“Are you retired or just collecting my tax money?”
- are you my other Uncle Sam or just another dumb Democrat?
The new guys may help or not. I hope the price was not to high in draft picks. That said football is football, Herm to Haley. Just how bad was herm? His imcompetence must have been on epic proportions (CB iding skills not withstanding). Head coach for 3 years and rebuilding for two and this team has nothing but missing pieces, guys on the roster who are not NFL grade pros, just guys. Sort of sad for the team, city, and fans.
And the call the failed hand-picked “any 22s” nee Pioli-ites continues to swell…
Robertson…Jones…Curtis…Purdham…Redd…moreto come end of August/first of next month aft. As for the impact to date his walking relics – Goff, Engram, Thomas, Brown, Vrabel, Toomer- well, nuff said.
Of the 80 men still on the roster, more than half of them are STILL Herm’s Chiefs fromst 2008. Come the next two cuts the “any 22’s” will be thinned from the herd to an e’en greater extent. 2009 as last season, this team is/will be Herm’s – every ‘W’ into his column, e’ery ‘L’ same courtesy the mismanagement a & on the field via the former/off via personnel faux pas the latter.
(Cue ‘”The Happenings’) “See you, in September?” Not likely willst your “any 22’s’ – Rin told ya so ya big lummox.
heh heh heh
daddy-o
predicted that darn kick back when they had him punting and everyone thought colquitt was in trouble…
woo hoo for trick punt out of a kick formation
if you really think “the front office isnt coming up smelling like roses” you are an idiot
how would they do that, there have been zero games that count.
not to mention, you start with the hand you are dealt…how do you think the cowboys front office looked going 1-15 after drafting Aikman?
so rin, for pioli to have his team, he and haley would have to get rid of what percentage of herm players? because 51 percent gone would be control…of course based on…well…percentages…
regardless, thats all done in ONE offseason…
also doesnt include MORGAN-THIRD ROUND
MCBRIDE-2nd ROUND
who are both still on the roster.
Herm’s players, the ones you seem to love…how many pro bowlers? how many?
how many wins? 6 in two years…
nuff said.
run along rinny
Rin you have such a Fair and Balanced opinions of the Chiefs.
Hell it kinda reminds me of the media covering Obama.
At least Haley has coached in a Super Bowl.
POLLARD49
THANK YOU! thats the same way i feel, hows this jack ass so dedicated to a guy who was not the kinda coach we needed to run a young team herm had no idea how to take over a youg team. rin your stupid and nobody like you the only reason you get on here pretending to be other ppl is so ppl will unknowingly reading your stupid comments
Spot on move by Pioli/Haley trading for these young offensive linemen. It’s weird, I was just thinking this morning about which teams KC could look to for offensive linemen-a team with really good depth, and the one I though of was Miami.
Both these guys are young and powerful. I remember when the Saints let go of Alleman. About 15 teams were after him, and Miami got him off waivers with the first claim.
I agree with the previous poster who liked the way this crew doesn’t just sit there when there is a need-sometimes just coaching up players and hoping won’t do it. All the OL has to step up, or they will bring in someone to take their jobs.
Pollard49 said
“So Rin”
- yes Polly?
“for pioli to have his team, he and haley would have to get rid of what percentage of herm players?”
- as it stands with today’s 2 new additions and 2 players released, there be 41 Herm’s men left and 39 newbies nee “any 22’s will do’s” the 80 total.
Of course, the majority those 39 & are training camp fodder – flotsam & jetsam – any 22’s. So if ’search’ & ‘check’ are correct their any 22 tap dance (hint: they’re not) then they’d need 27 those 39 make the final 53 (heh heh heh, right, ‘check’.) Too only 26 of the remaining 41 Herm’s men on the team could stay, otherwise, it is Herm’s team. You do the math – w/condolences, Rin will leave the lights on for you.
“Herm’s players, the ones you seem to love…how many pro bowlers? how many?”
- Brian Waters & Larry Johnson come to mind, Tony Gonzalez before & traded him (nice – another smooth move boys – if you were going to stock a team of relics in Engram, Thomas, Vrabel, Goff, Toomer, Brown, etc., Tony would’ve had some company, only, he wouldn’t have tolerated ‘check’ & ’seacrh’ nonsense/might’ve retired rather than suffer the duex imbéciles.
“how many wins? 6 in two years.”
- how many years to rebuild? One. Your advice be apropos for & – “run long”…they will come conclusion 2010 if not sooner by their own volition or Jr.$…
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DT#58 said
- it’s not mine…
“Rin”
- yes, hybrid/borderline?
“you have such a Fair and Balanced opinions of the Chiefs.”
- how true… anything else afore Rin disses- er, dismisses you?
“Hell it kinda reminds me of”
- watching the Chiefs under & – albeit not so hot…
“the media covering Obama.”
- are Liberal sycophants outside Fox News & a few others… love ya Bill O’Reilly!
heh heh heh!!!
daddy-o
truthfull T said
“the same way i feel”
- dunno/not interested, but aft what Rin does to you daily, best guess would be He makes you feel “like a natural woman”…
“hows this jack ass”
- wouldst probably look better on Jack than on you Urethra- er, Aretha…
“so dedicated”
- like a fax line… you get used.
“to a guy who was not the kinda coach we needed to run a young team”
- leave the bashing to Rin…you see what you can do about firming up your backside…
“herm”
- no, Rin’s still here Aretha…Stevie too but he doesn’t have any more an idea where than do you…
“had no idea how to take over a youg team.”
- nor I; YAFL, AFL, the yutes league… but ‘youg’? Never heard of it…
“Rin”
- talk to me, baby!
“your stupid”
- no, not mine…be ‘yours’ – you hath ownership nee be the Master of said…
“and”
- you’re getting better (worse?) at it all the time…
“nobody like you”
- true, be nobody like Rin!
“the only reason you get on here pretending to be other ppl is so ppl will unknowingly reading your stupid comments”
- reiterating for your benefit short-term (as in verbiage just above second ago) memory loss…be only one Rin Tin Tin – Lays Potato Chip bloggers – no one is ever satisfied to read Him but once! Rin be the bread of bogging life…
daddy-o
And blogging too!