A Little Bit Of Everything … Thursday Cup O’Chiefs
General thoughts, tidbits and musings after the NFL Combine and just hours before the 2010 season begins with the start of free agency.
PARALYSIS OF ANALYSIS – In the last 24 hours I’ve read at least two dozen stories on the Internet about players who got a push up from their performance at the Combine and those that hurt themselves.
This outlook is typical of today’s media coverage of anything – there has to be winners and there has to be losers. Any relationship with reality doesn’t really matter. All these reports of players going up and down based on their time in the 40-yard dash or how many reps they had in the bench press are pure speculation. It’s the media playing GM or personnel director.
Joe Haden (right) the cornerback from Florida supposedly hurt his chances because of his 40-yard time, while Taylor Mays, a safety out of Southern Cal moved up the board with his unexpected 4.43 in the 40.
When it comes time to make a pick in the first round in April, the most important thing for Haden and Mays will not be what happened in Indy. It will be what the film showed when they played in Gainesville and at the Coliseum in Los Angeles.
Talk to the real scouts and decision makers and they left Indy with just another part of the evaluation process. For 99 percent of the players, the Combine was just another piece of a large puzzle that began at the start of their college career. Of all the numbers generated at Lucas Oil Stadium, I’d bet that one percent were a surprise to the guys who work the personnel end of the street.
A defensive back runs the 40-yard dash in 4.61 seconds instead of 4.59 is no big deal.
So be careful reacting to words and phrases like his stock went up, or his stock went down based on what happened at the Combine.
WHY YOU CAN’T ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ OR HEAR: The St. Louis Rams have the first pick in the draft. Our buddy John Czarnecki reports on FoxSports.com that if the draft were today, the Rams would take Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy.
Over at ESPN.com, veteran NFL scribe Len Pasquarelli reports that the Rams scouts think Nebraska DT Ndamukong Suh is the best player in the draft. And
And ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported last week that the Rams are zeroing in on Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford as the top choice.
So who to believe? I know all three of these guys and they don’t just throw junk against the wall and hope it sticks. Czar has inside sources with the Rams that he’s tapped for years. Lenny knows everybody in the league and Schefter’s stint at the NFL Network put him on the return call list for many decision makers in the league.
If the Rams don’t want anybody to know what they are going to do with the first choice, then the odds are good the folks at Rams Central are enjoying the different versions floating around the country.
RAIDERS WANT TO SEE MORE OF SEYMOUR: Oakland used the franchise player tag on DL Richard Seymour so they will be able to keep him for at least another year. Head coach Tom Cable was effusive in his praise of Seymour and his affect on the Raiders in the locker room.
“I think he was everything I thought he would be,” said Cable. “I heard a lot about who he is as a person and what he would bring to the locker room and practice and preparation. To me he accomplished everything I heard about him. The thing I was most excited about was the impact he had on our younger players. He’s been in the NFL for quite some time and he knows how to prepare, how to take notes, how to practice, how to get himself ready, the time it takes, day-to-day, week-to-week and ultimately how to take care of your body.
“I think there were a lot of good lessons there for a bunch of young football players.”
L.J. CAN RETURN TO BENGALS, IF HE WANTS: Cincinnati head coach Marvin Lewis said that Larry Johnson has a place to return to if he doesn’t find what he wants in free agency. Johnson will become an unrestricted free agent on Friday.
The Bengals picked Johnson up late last season as insurance when starting RB Cedric Benson was dinged up. Johnson had 46 carries for 204 yards and three receptions for four yards in his time with the Cincinnati offense.
“I think it’s important for Larry to go out and see what might be out there for him,” said Lewis. “He did everything we asked him to do last year.
“If he decides he wants to return, we would welcome him back.”
MAY THE GAME OF SHADOWS AND LIGHT BEGIN: San Diego’s grumpy GM A.J. Smith admitted last week that he enjoys playing games with his competition when it comes to preparing for the NFL Draft. That’s not a surprise, but seldom do you see people in the league admit to the subterfuge.
“I often go to individual workouts with no intention of taking somebody,” Smith said. “I like to play along with the speculation. Last year, judging by the workouts I went to, everyone thought we were taking a running back. I think we drafted LB Larry English No. 1. I’m not sure.”
THE CONCERNS ABOUT DEZ BRYANT: The No. 1 wide receiver in this year’s draft class stayed only a few days and then left Indianapolis. Dez Bryant did not work out at the Combine because of what he called a hamstring tweak. He will do that in a few weeks in his personal workout.
But Bryant spent a lot of time talking with teams. Once clubs zero on their draft boards in the next month, he figures to have more conversations, long conversations with teams interested in his pass catching and playmaking ability.
That’s because there are many questions about Bryant the person. He missed the last nine games of Oklahoma State’s season last year because he lied to the NCAA during an investigation of his relationship with Deion Sanders.
But there’s so much more that Bryant has dealt with in his life and even those close to him say that the team that selects him will have to spend time monitoring his life away from the team.
One of the best stories I’ve seen in the last week that summarizes Bryant’s life came from Thomas George at AOL.com’s Fanhouse site. Here’s the link.
THE MORE YOU CAN DO: Cable acknowledged that he’s involved in contract negotiations with the Raiders players, and was at the negotiating table when the team worked out a big deal with kicker Sebastian Janikowski. A coach talking contract with players and agents on the record is seldom if ever seen in today’s NFL. But then sometimes the Raiders seem to be operating in a dimension different from their 31 brothers.
“That’s the way it’s always been done,” Cable said. “It was done that way last year and again this year. For me, it’s not something new. ”
WEATHERSPOON TO STAY IN BLACK & GOLD?: Missouri LB Sean Weatherspoon posted good numbers at the Combine, none of which surprised anybody in the league. The question now is where does he fit best, outside in the 4-3 or inside in the 3-4? Don’t be surprised if he ends up staying in black and gold. The Pittsburgh Steelers are interested in Weatherspoon and what he could bring to their defense.
“Coach (Mike) Tomlin said he saw me fitting in at either the mack or the buck (inside linebacker spots),” Weatherspoon said. “He was saying inside; that is what he talked about. I don’t have a problem with that.
“If I’ve got to do the dirty work and take on the linemen to free up the other players for them to make plays, then I am all about that. I am all about just being a team guy and taking care of business.”
ANOTHER NON-COMBINE NAME TO REMEMBER: Among those players who did not get an invitation to the Combine that will draw some interest in the run-up to the Draft is Florida A&M returner LeRoy Vann. He holds the NCAA record for career touchdowns on returns with eight punt returns for scores and three kick returns. Five of those punt returns came during the ‘09 season; four of those came over a matter of eight days as on back-to-back Saturdays against Winston-Salem State and Howard, Vann had four punt return TDs.
Over his 40-game career with the Rattlers, Vann he averaged 17.7 yards on 59 punt returns and 24.4 yards on 80 kickoff returns. He also played defensive back and had one interception, 118 total tackles and he blocked three kicks.
Vann is under-sized at 5-9, 185 pounds and runs the 40 in the 4.4 range. He’ll work out for all interested teams on March 18th.
PARALYSIS OF ANALYSIS – how true. I’ve got the feeling that the Combine is greatly overvalued by fans – and declining in importance for players and teams. How many top prospects did not work out for various reasons? How many obviously did not feel this is the right “stage” to showcase their capabilities.
Reading the comments about Combine risers over the past few days the first round of the draft should probably have two picks per team to accomodate all those “top prospects”.
KC Guy,
Very true. At least, I would hope so. With three or four years of game film to look at…what’s so impressive about these drills at the Combine? I don’t think our guys will get caught up in any of that. I believe Pioli said as much just recently. It’s entertaining, sure…and a useful “tool”, I suppose. But a very small one in the “big picture”.
Rumor has it that the asking price for Boldin is a 3rd round pick. How would you guys feel about that? Would it be worth it for us?
“How would you guys feel about that? Would it be worth it for us?”
I might do a contingent offer of “anywhere from a 2nd rounder to a 4th rounder in 2011 draft” depending on how Boldin performs and if he stays healthy (allowing an independent trainer check Boldin out for games he doesn’t play due to injury). If he gives us a 1,200 yard season and 16 strong games, let’s be willing to go a 2nd rounder. If he gives us 2 good games but is damaged goods, let’s only have to pay a 4th.
Mad Chief
I’ve been on my soap box for months that the Chiefs should make a deal for Boldin. We have an early 3rd that should be enticing to Arizona. Also there are rumors that DJ could be dealt straight up for Boldin. Heck, if we aren’t going to start DJ then we should move him for a player who will start.
I’m all in, getting Boldin for a 3rd. is good.
Would be interesting if we re-sign Chambers today. It might reveal the Chiefs decision on a Boldin possibility.
Besides, in taking Boldin, we could scratch a need off our draft list.
Jimbo,
I’m also curious to see if we wrap up any of our own Free Agents today (Chambers, Vrabel, etc.)…or if they’ll hit the open market at Midnight? Should be interesting. And as you say, it might give us a little insight as to where we’re going in FA and possibly the draft.
I have a feeling that Chambers (at least) is going to want to see if his phone rings in the next few days…before he signs back with us. But, I could be wrong.
Boldin is a interesting idea. How old is he? How healthy? What is his current contract or what will be needed to sign? Does he want to play for Haley? All questions that need to be considered before jumping on the band wagon. If he meets the Chiefs need and the Chiefs meet his needs, a 3rd would be fine. Then I might get my Center in the second round,LOL
Boldin is 29, I think. He said awhile back that he would be open to playing for Haley again. He has had some injuries…but not as bad as some make it out to be, I don’t think. I don’t really think he’s “injury prone”. He’s taken some major shots, though.
I’d be fine with giving up a 3rd round pick for him. Or not, actually. No strong feelings either way. But, I think the guy has some good years left…and will be productive wherever he goes.
Mad Chief:
1) Do the Chiefs really need a go-to WR? Yes.
2) Do I like Boldin? Yes.
3) Do I think he’s worth a 3rd round pick? Yes.
Having said that, I just don’t think there’s a chance Boldin would be a Chief. And the reason is the same one that put Todd Haley in the head coaching position that he is now.
Do you remember the 2009 NFC Championship Game when out of whatever motive (frustration, if you wish) Boldin started throwing fits in the sideline –and in Todd Haley’s direction– during what would be the game winning drive of that contest?…I might be wrong, but I just get the feeling that Haley would not be interested in a repeat of that situation. I mean, if Boldin was irresponsible enough to distract Haley in the most important moment of their careers just because he wasn’t the main feature in the aforementioned sequence, I can’t figure out how Haley could bring him to the program and deal with him one more time. Again, this is just my opinion and please, take it for what it’s worth; but I leave you with this:
Last year the Chiefs needed WR’s and they didn’t pull the trigger for Boldin even when he was available since the end of last season. That should tell you a lot.
Hey Enrique,
Point taken. But, I would counter…Haley arguing with a player on the sideline is nothing new. The thing that made the one with Boldin so big was a national TV audience. We saw Haley do it several times this year…with seemingly no lasting consequences. Haley and Boldin are both competitors, and it was the “heat of the moment”. I don’t think it’s like they hated each other or anything. I think they could put it behind them.
And I believe last year the Cardinals were asking a second rounder for Boldin. The price has dropped…so that makes it more attractive.
I doubt it will happen, either. And like I said, I really have no strong feeling one way or the other (if he comes here).
You should come hang out here more often, Enrique. Your input would be very welcome.
I thought I read somewhere that Boldin stated he would be happy to play for coach Haley again. If that is correct we may have a Cardinal WR in a Chiefs uniform.
It won’t break my heart one way or the other.
Mad Chief:
Now, THAT was a nice rebuttal. At this point, we’ve learned that “arguments” are a constant with Todd Haley, and we just have to accept that fact. For the record, I like Boldin’s game, but by the signals that we’ve been given I just don’t think he fits the profile that the current administration is looking for. The talent level must be overwhelming in order to accept that strong a personality. Think Randy Moss with the Patriots or Lawrence Taylor with the Giants.
Thanks, Enrique. And you may very well be right.
I’ll tell you what…I sure look forward to the day when the Chiefs are a good enough team, that every single Free Agent and potential trade “bait” player doesn’t have to be scrutinized as a possibility by Chiefs “junkies” like myself!
“…I sure look forward to the day when the Chiefs are a good enough team”
Aren’t you glad we’re moving back in the right direction again rather than headed to the flush-o-rama?
And by the way Mad Chief, 2 more things:
1) I DO plan on being here more often. Other obligations have kept me from doing so, but luckily, I’ll stick around here more frequently. In fact, I have some proposals for Bob that may be of your liking. I just need Bob’s approval for them to get started. Yes, that’s a teaser.
2) Since some of you have asked about me (more recently you in the ASK BOB forum), Bob was kind enough to grant me a little space. You’ll find me in the feature below WHAT ABOUT BOB. And if you want to know how I was dragged to the Red and Gold faithful, I recommend the YouTube link that’s included there. Once again, thanks for your kind words.
Very cool, Enrique. Looking forward to your input on a regular basis. And to your “proposals”.
Mike Vrabel has sign to come back . The Chiefs has send a tender offer on Derrick Johnson what offer round the Chiefs has not revealed.
Mark my words!!! With the 5th. Pick of the 2010 N.F.L. draft The Kansas City Chiefs Select WR Dez Bryant!!!!!!!!!!!!!